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  • J @ jmcc:
    Even the "Irish Airman" poem is rather darkly comical when one knows the reality of what happened to the chap involved.
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  • J @ jmcc:
    Poetry works by provoking emotions. It is quite different from Novels and other writing that work on the basis of conveying ideas. Yeats Irish Airman poem is a nice way for people who weren't involved to bypass the sheer horror, fear and drudgery that was the air war in WW1. Dulce Et Decorum Est or some of Sassoon's poems are far better at illustrating the disconnectedness of Yeats to events.
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  • Καπανεύς @ Καπανεύς:
    i am not really talking about parliament although it is ironic that the gaelic education system is so bad for literature and philosophy when there are supposedly arts students in it - perhaps that says some thing about the quality of third level education in the republic of ireland
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  • J @ jmcc:
    Many teachers despise real writers and poets because they could never do what they did. Few of them really read and fewer still write.
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  • J @ jmcc:
    It gets back to a kind of Marxian "means of production" thing. :)
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  • J @ jmcc:
    The Irish education system isn't bad. It actually does work well for most people. But everyone cannot be a writer or poet.
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  • Καπανεύς @ Καπανεύς:
    there should be an education available for those who are interested in literature
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  • J @ jmcc:
    There is. It is called "Life".
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  • Καπανεύς @ Καπανεύς:
    it is called reading a novel or poem but the guidance of a teacher helps
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  • J @ jmcc:
    No. Most of that approach is purely subjective and based on somebody else's opinions. Reading should be for pleasure and enlightenment.
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  • J @ jmcc:
    Beyond the basics, that guidance is merely opinions masquerading as facts.
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  • Καπανεύς @ Καπανεύς:
    But does the Gaelic education system even provide the basics?
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  • J @ jmcc:
    Yes.
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  • Καπανεύς @ Καπανεύς:
    Of Classical texts as well?
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  • J @ jmcc:
    Some Classical texts.
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  • Καπανεύς @ Καπανεύς:
    the christian brothers used to teach latin
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  • J @ jmcc:
    And Greek and other languages.
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  • J @ jmcc:
    Think that the Iliad was even on the Leaving Cert English required reading list. (English translation version.)
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  • J @ jmcc:
    Time to wake and work.
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  • Καπανεύς @ Καπανεύς:
    Do you really think any one is still reading Classic texts coming out of school today? Do you not see correlation with this and the fact that people concerned with literature are considered unintelligent? Do you not think the emergence of Feminist poets such as Adrienne Rich in second level and third level English Literature classes has helped with this and also contributed to subversive politics? my point is education in terms of literature and culture used to be better
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  • J @ jmcc:
    Some people do. Some people have read the Classics when they were children. Once one takes the Classics away from their historical context, as most of these EnglishLit types do, they become meaningless and the tool for people incapable of creating any great works to push their own opinions as fact.
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  • J @ jmcc:
    It is not enough to merely read the Classics. One has to also learn about the history and the context that generated them.
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  • J @ jmcc:
    Otherwise, it is like the morons pushing their theories about Troy being a literary device when the archeological remains of the city were discovered.
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  • Καπανεύς @ Καπανεύς:
    yes - which is the purpose of an education in classical civilisation - one learns about the context of the text as well - which is what should be taught in schools but is realistically only taught at places such as gonzaga, belvedere, alexandra and clongowes - Is it really that shocking to find that people that do not go to these schools end up knowing little to nothing about classical civilisation and literature? Would you be fine if only terrible poetesses like Adrienne Rich were taught at second level and third level education? that is the direction it is going in
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  • J @ jmcc:
    There are at least two levels of education in Ireland. There's good education where the teachers generally care about their subject and students. And there's the other where they don't.
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  • Καπανεύς @ Καπανεύς:
    there is education based on comparative literature and there is one based on trashcan feminist poetesses - the latter of which informs the school curriculum in the republic of ireland today and is the reason why people who do not go to clongowes and co. are uneducated - classics should be mandatory and english literature should undergo a moment of reaction
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  • J @ jmcc:
    Have you read the Illiad?
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  • Καπανεύς @ Καπανεύς:
    i have read poesy from homer, hesiod, virgil and ovid and plan on reading catullus some time soon
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  • J @ jmcc:
    This isn't the 17th Century. The word is "poetry" rather than "poesy".
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  • J @ jmcc:
    What major change did the Illiad cover?
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  • Καπανεύς @ Καπανεύς:
    The spreading of a Greek alliance in to Troy? What exactly are you referring to?
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  • Καπανεύς @ Καπανεύς:
    ποίησις
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  • J @ jmcc:
    Changing eras and "ages"
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  • patrick jane @ patrick jane:
    All useless words compared to the King James Bible.
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  • patrick jane @ patrick jane:
    You can read all the books, poetry and literature you want but if you're not reading the Bible and believing every word you're beating the air.
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  • Καπανεύς @ Καπανεύς:
    the bible and theology has its place in the tradition of occidental culture and should be studied
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  • GodsDog @ GodsDog:
    patrick jane said:
    You can read all the books, poetry and literature you want but if you're not reading the Bible and believing every word you're beating the air.
    and if you are only reading one book (the bible) then you are beating the meat! :rolleyes:
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  • patrick jane @ patrick jane:
    You'll understand someday GD.
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  • GodsDog @ GodsDog:
    Understand what? That the sun deranged superstitious ramblings of misogynist desert camel fuckers as strategically edited centiuries later is actually the word of the being that created the universe? Eh...no. That's just some bollocks you tell your children to scare them into behaving until they grow up! Obviously you haven't yet Patrick!
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