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Most peoples around the World believed in Spirits

- the concept of an Afterlife is an ancient one

The rejection of it is a very recent one.
Non belief is as old as belief in the afterlife I'd well imagine.
 

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Every single tribe or so called primitive people throughout the world has a belief in spirits and demons, never have anthropologists discovered a tribe of atheists, it is perfectly true to say that religious belief itself is natural, even in the modern world during and following a disaster or war, belief in superstition, ritual etc rises, as the saying goes: there's no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole.
One of the benefits of religion that following horrible events like war, where people are damaged and maybe have done questionable things is that it offers through ritual a chance to leave the psychic hell that people have created for themselves and allows a society to heal.
 
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the internal logical contradictions of all religions are palpable.


for example...

human free will .......and .............an all knowing God

or

an all powerful god.......who a) is only capable of producing one son and b) has created a Universe where the 'game' is rigged so he must give his son to save humanity ? .............

even the doleheads in Ballymun could do better than that. Have a ton of kids AND let them do whatever the feck they wish.
 

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the internal logical contradictions of all religions are palpable.


for example...

human free will .......and .............an all knowing God

or

an all powerful god.......who a) is only capable of producing one son and b) has created a Universe where the 'game' is rigged so he must give his son to save humanity ? .............

even the doleheads in Ballymun could do better than that. Have a ton of kids AND let them do whatever the feck they wish.
The True Nature of God is not ours to know...

We only know that God exists

- and that every living thing flows from that....
 

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Religion is based on Fear and Money/Power ..

Its the greatest injustice you can do to yourself. You only get one whirl around this life ....why not trust yourself to decide what life you would like to lead.
 

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Religion is based on Fear and Money/Power ..

Its the greatest injustice you can do to yourself. You only get one whirl around this life ....why not trust yourself to decide what life you would like to lead.
Religion is based on Fear and Money/Power
:uzi::smash2::worship2:

The mindless cliches just keep coming.
It’s the sort of stale piss constantly promoted by the moronic Dan Brown, Dawkins, Hawking trio.
 
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Religion is based on Fear and Money/Power ..

Its the greatest injustice you can do to yourself. You only get one whirl around this life ....why not trust yourself to decide what life you would like to lead.
It's probably easier said than done. I cannot imagine one having such confidence on their death beds in fairness.
 
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It's probably easier said than done. I cannot imagine one having such confidence on their death beds in fairness.
Whether a person is Christian or any other religion, or be they no religion doesn't prevent death. It's very much out of our hands to a large degree.
Don't think anyone is ever gonna be confident on the deathbed. Some may have less fear than others irrespective of being religious or not.
 

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Personally, I can't imagine any thought in the whole of the human imagination more terrifying than that of eternal damnation and unending suffering. The thought alone is an uncomfortable one and most would naturally prefer not to even think about it for the most part, a perfectly understandable stance for who really wants to dwell on the thought of a place of unimaginable horrors and torment that one can never escape from, and worse yet - that you may very well end up in yourself after death if religious dogma is to be believed. Perhaps the concept of a hell was a necessity to begin with, for it is doubtful Christianity would go from being a small sect within the Middle East to being a major world religion within such a short space of time and remaining so to this very day without it.

Had the early missionaries talked only of the promise of heaven and all of it's unending delights, our pagan ancestors most likely would have laughed it off and dismissed them as crackpots. But, bring hell and the menacing threat of eternal damnation into the equation and you are bound to get the attention of the audience. I'd imagine that the original missionaries spreading tales of fire and brimstone must surely have led to so many taking hede of the warning and converting, if only to be on the safe side. To this very day, it wouldn't be too unbelievable to assume that a large proportion of Christians remain in the fold simply out of the lingering fear of where they may end up when they pass into the afterlife.
The gospels record Jesus talking more about the subject of Hell than talking about Heaven.
If we accept that Jesus is God incarnate, we must therefore accept that Hell is a reality.

The Bible also teaches that God is Justice and that justice entails reward and loss.
Justice demands that the righteous be rewarded and the wicked be punished.

Fear of God (and God's judgement therefore) is a virtue.
 

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Finished watching S3 of Westworld and when Ed Harris's character is forced into the nuthouse so others get control of his company he is
in a "Group Therapy" some dude suffering from depression spews how Jesus and God has a plan for him , etc, etc,

Ed Harris , laughs and explains if there was a God passing by our little solar system they would just look upon us as a thin layer of bacteria on a mudball
orbiting a small Sun in the middle of nowhere ( or to that effect)
 
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