Why are the Irish so Damn slow at counting elections?

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Why is Ireland lagging behind the rest of Europe when it comes to elections?

Within 2 -3 hours last night the UK had counted 95% of their Euro elections results with only Northern Ireland and the Western Isles lagging behind.

Despite holding our vote on Friday we are still counting local elections and as of yet not declared 1 MEP in any constituency.

The longer our votes are delayed the more open they are to voting fraud, manipulation, and embarrassments on a national scale.

If the rest of Europe can count millions of votes in a matter of a few hours, why is it in Ireland we count a few thousand votes over a matter of days in some of our regional count centers?

Something must be done, this is pathetic.
There is another reason, not articulated above. To preserve the integrity of votes in other EU countries, counts cannot start in advance of the closing of their polls, just to avoid any risk of contamination of the result.

Ireland cannot start the count until all polling stations have closed.

In the meantime, while the seals on the boxes in Ireland are finally being broken, the French and Germans are announcing the voting outcomes already. Within ten seconds.
 

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why don't we have just first preference and alternative.Each person is allowed just 2 selectionn.Anymore than 2 choices the balllot paper is classified as spolit vote.It would speed the process yet it would have the STV part to maintain the Prop Representation bit we are used to here.any opinions about that?
 

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why don't we have just first preference and alternative.Each person is allowed just 2 selectionn.Anymore than 2 choices the balllot paper is classified as spolit vote.It would speed the process yet it would have the STV part to maintain the Prop Representation bit we are used to here.any opinions about that?
3 is a nice number. And I'm not saying that because I'm a page 3 girl, but 3 would be better I think.
 

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Why is Ireland lagging behind the rest of Europe when it comes to elections?

Within 2 -3 hours last night the UK had counted 95% of their Euro elections results with only Northern Ireland and the Western Isles lagging behind.

Despite holding our vote on Friday we are still counting local elections and as of yet not declared 1 MEP in any constituency.

The longer our votes are delayed the more open they are to voting fraud, manipulation, and embarrassments on a national scale.

If the rest of Europe can count millions of votes in a matter of a few hours, why is it in Ireland we count a few thousand votes over a matter of days in some of our regional count centers?

Something must be done, this is pathetic.
We use computers to look after our money, to take us to the moon and to fly our children around the world, but we won't trust them to count a few poxy votes.

This country is hamstrung by backwoods idiots.
 

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People are now fed up waiting for results.
The election was Fri., 2 seats have been filled by Mon. night.
 

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People are now fed up waiting for results.
The election was Fri., 2 seats have been filled by Mon. night.
all those "selected family connections, insiders, the people who are always "chosen for the job of 'safeguarding our democracy' will milk the system and take as much time as possible.They are all on paid by the hours spent "doing the counting".Honestly it is a "fix for friends, dynastic politics , another layer of gravy for the insiders to get their snouts into". We should have a "fixed design ballot paper that ought to be compatible for a computer scanning machine that would automate the process.It should be put out to tender to all high tech companies and used for local elections , senate elections and given plenty of testing sample vote counting on a trial basis before use for general elections and EU parl elections.The actual casting of vote would still be manual by pen and the scanning and counting would be a computer/electronic process ,which could always be checked manually by persons to ensure no errors.But knowing this country and its laggardness and rush to " expert legal advice" it will not be done.
 

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all those "selected family connections, insiders, the people who are always "chosen for the job of 'safeguarding our democracy' will milk the system and take as much time as possible.They are all on paid by the hours spent "doing the counting".Honestly it is a "fix for friends, dynastic politics , another layer of gravy for the insiders to get their snouts into". We should have a "fixed design ballot paper that ought to be compatible for a computer scanning machine that would automate the process.It should be put out to tender to all high tech companies and used for local elections , senate elections and given plenty of testing sample vote counting on a trial basis before use for general elections and EU parl elections.The actual casting of vote would still be manual by pen and the scanning and counting would be a computer/electronic process ,which could always be checked manually by persons to ensure no errors.
A Soros company is in charge of Indra the computer company that manages the vote in Spain, Argentina, Ecuador, Africaetc. There has been serious allegations of electoral fraud. Mainly from the communication of the result from the tablet to the media and computer generated postal vote.
 

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only the scanning of the ballots and the process of counting the votes would be computerised .Postal/ electronic voting is open to widescale rigging , it happened in Birmingham during the term New Labour were in power at the turn of the century.One person was collecting ballot papers for "dead people" and sending them in.These were posted weeks before the actual day of the vote.
 

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The hardest thing on time is counting surplus votes. If the quota is 118K and a candidate get 120K. That 2000 surplus has to
be distributed in proportion to the surplus. Some will be non transferable. some will transfer to elected or eliminated candidates. Then their
are tay breaks, toilet breaks , sleep breaks, the lot.
 
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Proportional representation is the best system in a homogeneous society which also has a proper culture, history, language etc..
You lose these things like we have and allow yourselves to be influenced by outsiders, practices and thinking that go against ourselves as a cohesive group, is when it can be used as a heavy weight against you. I dont think it matters either way in the case of ireland. We insist on following everyone else's mistakes one way or another.
 
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