Whilst Paddy was enjoying his Christmas the government were busy shipping in over 200 more refugees.

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I don't agree with some of your analysis Johann

The original Syrian protests were quickly hijacked and taken over by armed mercenaries bankrolled by the saudis etc.
and co-ordinated by the CIA. In the end most of the terrorists fighting in Syria were foreign Jihadist mercenaries.
Few were from the original protests.

Who Was Secretly Behind America's Invading And Occupying Syria?

Nobody here knows who these people arriving from Syria really are.

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The uprising was sectarian and Islamist and violent from very start. It got more so as it went on. "Alawites to the grave, Christians to Beirut"
It came out of the mosques in those poor Sunni neighborhoods. There were some peaceful protest but happening in parallel and alongside right from the start where guerrilla and terrorist attacks, uprisings(storming of government buildings and police stations) and violent riots
This was not first Islamist uprising in Syria . (1976-1982 muslim brotherhood)

My point is
1. there is a demographic in Syria of several million people. The Sunni islamist rural poor( i am going to call them)
2. They where the revolt and lost it.
3. These people make up the bulk of displaced still in Turkey and Lebanon.
4. The people coming to Ireland are most likely from this demographic( could be wrong here but properly not)
5. Based on macro data from numerous European countries across decades(low IQ mass Muslim migrations) and common sense.
the outcomes are going to be negative for us and the nation.
6. Crime, terrorism, economic and demographic decay.
7. What is Average IQ , education, skill-set of these people?
8. There are not being brought in as refugees and put temporarily in a refuge camp
they are being brought in as permanent economic settlers for political reasons.
 

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The uprising was sectarian and Islamist and violent from very start. It got more so as it went on. "Alawites to the grave, Christians to Beirut"
It came out of the mosques in those poor Sunni neighborhoods. There were some peaceful protest but happening in parallel and alongside right from the start where guerrilla and terrorist attacks, uprisings(storming of government buildings and police stations) and violent riots
This was not first Islamist uprising in Syria . (1976-1982 muslim brotherhood)

My point is
1. there is a demographic in Syria of several million people. The Sunni islamist rural poor( i am going to call them)
2. They where the revolt and lost it.
3. These people make up the bulk of displaced still in Turkey and Lebanon.
4. The people coming to Ireland are most likely from this demographic( could be wrong here but properly not)
5. Based on macro data from numerous European countries across decades(low IQ mass Muslim migrations) and common sense.
the outcomes are going to be negative for us and the nation.
6. Crime, terrorism, economic and demographic decay.
7. What is Average IQ , education, skill-set of these people?
8. There are not being brought in as refugees and put temporarily in a refuge camp
they are being brought in as permanent economic settlers for political reasons.
Your analysis above leaves out completely the presence of thousands of foreign jihadists in Syria, all the foreign weaponry, foreign money
and foreign logistical help. For which there is plenty of evidence available. Local islamism may have created a spark,of unrest but foreign interference was a fucking full on flame thrower pointed straight at Syria!

The CIA were in this up to their balls from the start! As were the Qataris and Saudis.
Turkey also played a large part in supporting the jihadist mercenaries

European countries too have Syrian blood on their hands.
At least 4000 of these murderers came from Europe.
France, UK, and others provided weaponry, special forces, money and logistics to the terrorists.

If so many other countries didn't just turn a blind eye ( as they were no doubt told to ) as the call for Jihad was answered by their citizens
then this war would have probably been a shorter affair.
 
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Your analysis above leaves out completely the presence of thousands of foreign jihadists in Syria, all the foreign weaponry, foreign money
and foreign logistical help. For which there is plenty of evidence available. Local islamism may have created a spark,of unrest but foreign interference was a fucking full on flame thrower pointed straight at Syria!

The CIA were in this up to their balls from the start! As were the Qataris and Saudis.
Turkey also played a large part in supporting the jihadist mercenaries

European countries too have Syrian blood on their hands.
At least 4000 of these murderers came from Europe.
France, UK, and others provided weaponry, special forces, money and logistics to the terrorists.

If so many other countries didn't just turn a blind eye ( as they were no doubt told to ) as the call for Jihad was answered by their citizens
then this war would have probably been a shorter affair.
I have spoken extensively here and elsewhere on foreign interference on Syria , particularly Obama CIA operation timber sycamore.

There was a lot of foreign fighters in Syria but vast majority(90%) of "rebel" combatants where Syrian or Iraqi. The "Sunni islamist rural poor"
demographic extends into Iraq (Anbar province). and the crazies disbanded the border.

Whats your point are you denying that there are several million people in Syria and also Iraq that are sunni islamists of varying degress?
 

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I have spoken extensively here and elsewhere on foreign interference on Syria , particularly Obama CIA operation timber sycamore.

There was a lot of foreign fighters in Syria but vast majority(90%) of "rebel" combatants where Syrian or Iraqi. The "Sunni islamist rural poor"
demographic extends into Iraq (Anbar province). and the crazies disbanded the border.

Whats your point are you denying that there are several million people in Syria and also Iraq that are sunni islamists of varying degress?
Syria is full of sunni muslims. They are not wahabbists though! And Assad currently has a strong majority of support amongst them.

The locals were not really responsible for what happened in Syria. Their minor protests were hijacked. Some poorer gullible disenchanted ones went along with it for a while sure. But Foreign interference, money,weapons,training, logistics, and foreign mercenaries were mainly behind what happened there.

Isn't it rather odd that we aren't pumping foreign money and arms into France for regime change?
a leader with 18% approval buying riot gear to put down popular public protests and refusing to step down?

These things only succeed when there are co-ordinated powerful external forces marshalled behind them!
 
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Syria is full of sunni muslims. They are not wahabbists though! And Assad currently has a strong majority of support amongst them.

The locals were not really responsible for what happened in Syria. Their minor protests were hijacked. Some poorer gullible disenchanted ones went along with it for a while sure. But Foreign interference, money,weapons,training, logistics, and foreign mercenaries were mainly behind what happened there.

Isn't it rather odd that we aren't pumping foreign money and arms into France for regime change?
a leader with 18% approval buying riot gear to put down popular public protests and refusing to step down?

These things only succeed when there are co-ordinated powerful external forces marshalled behind them!
Of course they are responsible, yes they would have been defeated far quicker without the Foreign interference agreed.

You are sprouting neo-con and hawkish talking points that where disseminated in the MSM
to justify further USA operations in Syria. The "moderate rebels" bullshit that they used to justify operation timber sycamore and continue to use to
justify their past actions when it all blew up in their face in 2014-2015 with rise of ISIL and AL Nusra and all the other crazies.
They claim the revolt has some sort of liberal democracy peaceful protest and if USA had intervened sooner and with greater force Syria would be
a secular paradise now.

The Syria revolt is islamist and sectarian. Its a jihad, just like the one in 1976-1982. and there are millions of Islamist in Syria.
and these people the dregs of Syria are the majority of ones invading Europe.

80% of Syria population is Sunni
70% of Syria population is Sunni Arab

Syria had 24 million people so That's 16.4 million Sunni Arabs ,
if we assume 25% of them have Islamist views and backed the JIhad ,
that 4.2 million Sunnis.
25% is in the low order estimate. The displaced people are overwhelming from this demographic, the losers.

Less than 10% of syrian rebels are foreign and most of the foreign fighters are Iraq Sunnis from anbar.
The Jihad is Syrian and Iraq Sunnis overwhelmingly.

look at "rebel" occupied Idlib right now it is as Islamist as you can get and its all Syrian (A million people there at least)
Those islamist gangs in idlib are Syrians Islamist overwhelmingly.


Syrians Rebel rally, Singing Praise for bin Laden & Celebrate 9/11 (2012)

 
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