Where have all the (decent) republicans gone?

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I find it hard to get inside the minds' of republicans. Because I wasn't there. I wasn't in Sinn Fein or in the republican movement. So I can't really understand how they genuinely feel about all this guff. To me it'a shocking that this has been allowed to happen to such a radical nationalist organisation. But as someone who wasn't there and who's just looking in, I find it difficult to understand the mindset and importantly to find the solution?

Is there any hope of the republican movmement being rescued?

You have to bear in mind that nearly everyone who was in the Provisional Movement at the start of the 1990s have been expelled, or sidelined or just left themselves. Most of today's party are ceasefire soldiers who are more interested in homosexuality than Irish Nationalism.
 
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You have to bear in mind that nearly everyone who was in the Provisional Movement at the start of the 1990s have been expelled, or sidelined or just left themselves. Most of today's party are ceasefire soldiers who are more interested in homosexuality than Irish Nationalism.
If such a large section of the provisionals were expelled, then how did they not manage to oppose this expulsion. Either through an internal coup or a split. Was the will to fight just gone?
 

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Perhaps you're right. Adherence to Marxism at least requires principles and a formulated ideology. I don't think they had either. How else could they go along with this humiliation. Surely a more well read leader would've acted differently, whether they're versed in European fascism or Communism or just plain old eternal Gaelic Irish nationalism.

Yes, Ó Brádaigh was no Marxist either, but he was a genuine Socialist. His heart was with the working class and the small farmers in a real way - not so theoretical but based on a real love for those people. That organic understanding of Irish reality would never allow him to compromise with a Régime that's set up from the very beginning to torture, murder and rob those people - and I'm talking about the Régimes north and south.
 

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If such a large section of the provisionals were expelled, then how did they not manage to oppose this expulsion. Either through an internal coup or a split. Was the will to fight just gone?

Adams really only has one talent, and that's spotting potential rivals and removing them. First he sidelined Ó Brádaigh and the old guard from the 1950s Border Campaign. Then he sidelined - or arranged the death of - hardcore military men like Jim Lynagh, who was martyred at Loughgall along with his ASU. Jim Lynagh had actually studied Mao's theories on guerilla war and wanted to turn the armed struggle from being something just for media headlines into an actual military campaign with strategic military objectives. Of course, in 1987, when Adams was well on his way to cutting a deal with the Brits, Lynagh was someone that both Adams and the Brits had to be rid of. The next large group to be expelled were the members of the 32 County Sovereignty Committee. This was a committee set up inside PSF in 1997 to discuss the direction the party was going in. Adams knew that this could only be bad news for him and expelled the lot of them. And so it went on over the last 20 years. By the time Éirígí broke away it had really become pointless. Éirígí members had supported ending the armed struggle, surrendering the weapons, and going into Stormont. They left on the issue of policing - but if you've already surrendered militarily then of course you're going to have to accept the enemy's military and police structures. As I say, Adams is a political animal - but in the worst sense of the word. His enemies are inside his own party. He pays very little attention to the Brits or to the Irish nation. He's a sort of genius of playing one person against another and making sure that he will always stay on top of the shit pile.
 

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As some one who was not allowed to hear what Mr Adams had to say up until the early 90's (he was censored here in UK plc and you had some BBC wanker give a faux narrative of his actual dialogue) I think he deserves a fucking meddle, having to put up with Dolly Parton fans like the Paisleys and now that awful fucking bullfrog Arlene Hun. OK, it appears he has now sold out to poofery, but cut the poor Dolly Parton fan a bit of slack. Same goes for the late Martin McMurder.
 

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As some one who was not allowed to hear what Mr Adams had to say up until the early 90's (he was censored here in UK plc and you had some BBC wanker give a faux narrative of his actual dialogue) I think he deserves a fucking meddle, having to put up with Dolly Parton fans like the Paisleys and now that awful fucking bullfrog Arlene Hun. OK, it appears he has now sold out to poofery, but cut the poor Dolly Parton fan a bit of slack. Same goes for the late Martin McMurder.
To be honest, as a Republican, I'd say Paisley was always a much more decent and honest man than Adams ever was. And the BBC did Adams a huge favour by blocking his voice. That gave him an aura of mystery and profundity. Since we hear him all the time it has become obvious to everyone that he actually has nothing whatsoever to say.
 

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I find it hard to get inside the minds' of republicans. Because I wasn't there. I wasn't in Sinn Fein or in the republican movement. So I can't really understand how they genuinely feel about all this guff. To me it'a shocking that this has been allowed to happen to such a radical nationalist organisation. But as someone who wasn't there and who's just looking in, I find it difficult to understand the mindset and importantly to find the solution?

Is there any hope of the republican movmement being rescued?
They are waking up. A source was telling me they've started targeting traitorous scum in the organisations and are working on removing them and their ideas for good.
 
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To be honest, as a Republican, I'd say Paisley was always a much more decent and honest man than Adams ever was. And the BBC did Adams a huge favour by blocking his voice. That gave him an aura of mystery and profundity. Since we hear him all the time it has become obvious to everyone that he actually has nothing whatsoever to say.
My late grandfather, an ardent republican, always maintained that if we'd had Paisley and they'd had Adams we could've won long ago.
 
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Very interesting point about Jim Lynagh. We always heard a lot about him. I never knew about his Mao-esque military aspirations. A damn shame he never succeeded in it. A main gripe I've always had with the IRA is that they coutdated seldom field a proper military battle. It was too often hit and run, shoot him, shoot her, bomb this. Seldom a proper military campaign. Although of course circumstances dictated they couldn't launch a Vietnam. And it's a shame that it was never an option. But of course by the time Adams came to the helm it was all about celebrity status and get out of jail free cards.
 
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