Hot Welcome to Ireland's new ethic community - Travellers.

Kershaw

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Yes, that's true. But the point remains that English discrimination never improved Irish people - quite the opposite. We are now an intellectually, spiritually and morally stunted people. The slave mentality is in our bones.
Well, what the English did to the Irish was conquest and oppression but I am not talking about that when I say discrimination.
Obviously that did not improve the Irish people.
By discrimination, I mean the ability for private individuals to refuse business with Travellers or any social or ethnic group they want to.
A pub for example could have a No Traveller policy and they would not be prosecuted.
A Christian bakery could have a 'No Gay Cakes' policy etc.
 

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Well, what the English did to the Irish was conquest and oppression but I am not talking about that when I say discrimination.
Obviously that did not improve the Irish people.
By discrimination, I mean the ability for private individuals to refuse business with Travellers or any social or ethnic group they want to.
A pub for example could have a No Traveller policy and they would not be prosecuted.
A Christian bakery could have a 'No Gay Cakes' policy etc.

Well, we are both talking about hypothetical situations. You won't be able to put up No Traveller signs under the Liberal régime - and nor will there be any kind of paternal guidance under the Liberal régime. And for that reason, the Travellers are doomed to continue as they are - and so are the rest of us. This is the Culture of Death.
 

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The traveler saga is Official Ireland's embarrassing attempt to duplicate the African-American morality play. They like mimicking here whatever is the going fad in the high profile big power societies.

I have no problem doing bits and bobs for travelers. A museum here, an employment initiative there, an entrepreneurial scheme calibrated to their circumstances, some cash for a festival and so on.

What we do instead is 'dependency-socialism' to attone for Auschwitz, lol, which results in the fracturing our politics. Or to put another way, if we don't shower these restless little 'identity' NGO's with cash and eulogise them, they'll wind up being terrorised by majoritarian lynchmobs aka the Nazi paradigm. It's a deeply neurotic outlook, that whitewashes the minority identity whilst attempting to shame the majority. It's neither parity of esteem nor treating them with the privileges that is proportionate to their number. Travelers become super-citizens essentially near the top of a victim hierarchy.

I don't think this globalist NGO scamming even reaches normal people. People just aren't sympathetic towards Travelers and the noise Official Ireland hicks make trying to drum up that discourse just passes them by. Whereas the African-American experience is a prominent feature in the American imagination.

Dublin's wartime neutrality is another 'morality play' Official Ireland like to endless handwring over. But normal people are rather glad metropolitan Ireland escaped getting firebombed.

 

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Well, we are both talking about hypothetical situations. You won't be able to put up No Traveller signs under the Liberal régime - and nor will there be any kind of paternal guidance under the Liberal régime. And for that reason, the Travellers are doomed to continue as they are - and so are the rest of us. This is the Culture of Death.
Sure, I'm just saying if we were allowed to discriminate against them, it would probably improve them, definitely more so than giving them special victim status or I think your idea which is the stick. Mine is the carrot.

The Don has chimed in on youtube. He thinks the most important issue highlighted by this is that it is a resounding admission that multiculturalism does not work.

If we can't integrate a split away Irish group after hundreds of years then how are we to integrate the hundreds of unique ethnic groups that now occupy western society and Ireland?

 

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Nice to see suddenly so many people around who pretend loving the travellers.Hypocrisy is alive and kicking.
Did you know that there are two large traveller funeral plots in both Ballyhaunis and Ballaghaderreen ? Stuffed with grotesque obscenities like huge marble statues showing Jack Russel dogs.
Was you ever in one of those towns when the travellers buried one of their folks ?
The places become like warzones. All shops are closed, people double lock their doors and hide indoors while the Guards are all over the scene.
Business is destroyed for the day and in the evenings people come out looking for stolen property or trying to fix the damage caused.
Ethnic Minority they call them over there and in the real world nobody wants them guys around !

Priest says it was 'lucky no one was killed' after thugs almost rammed hearse off the road during funeral chaos - Independent.ie
 
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Nice to see suddenly so many people around who pretend loving the travellers.Hypocrisy is alive and kicking.
Did you know that there are two large traveller funeral plots in both Ballyhaunis and Ballaghaderreen ? Stuffed with grotesque obscenities like huge marble statues showing Jack Russel dogs.
Was you ever in one of those towns when the travellers buried one of their folks ?
The places become like warzones. All shops are closed, people double lock their doors and hide indoors while the Guards are all over the scene.
Business is destroyed for the day and in the evenings people come out looking for stolen property or trying to fix the damage caused.
Ethnic Minority they call them over there and in the real world nobody wants them guys around !

Priest says it was 'lucky no one was killed' after thugs almost rammed hearse off the road during funeral chaos - Independent.ie
You surprise me Olli.
(in a good way)
 

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The Travellers are the most pure blooded Gaelic people in Ireland. It's sad that they have been pressurized into pretending that they are not really Irish - since that's the only way you can get anything in Ireland today. As the OP says, they can now line up with the Nigerians and the Muslims as alien to Irish society.
An excellent point, and one that is often forgotten. Travellers are often maligned (with some justification). Their lifestyle is however a reaction to the Cromwellian conquest of Ireland.

They hold up a mirror to modern Ireland and I can't help chuckling to the fact that people don't like what they see....
 

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The wonders of Shelta

Shelta has borrowed and no doubt continues to borrow heavily from the major language(s) spoken around it. In the past, this would have been Irish but is now principally English. The borrowed word usually undergoes some transformation that renders it unrecognisable to those who speak the language from which the word was taken.

From my limited reading of lists of words compiled by Pádraig Mac Gréine in the 1930s, these transformations can be as simple as replacing the initial consonant in a word with another consonant, e.g. "g" or "sr":
begging >>> gegging
minute: nóiméad >>> sróiméad

Another typical transformation would be a switching of the first and second consonants to form the Shelta word. So, the word for "girl" is formed from taking "cailín" and switching the "l" and "c" consonants to form "laicín", the "c" retaining its hard "k" sound. Similarly, the word for "door" which is "rodas" is formed from "doras". I'll list more examples in a later post. - The wonders of Shelta

What does Shelta actually mean? Buerla Reagaird is the Scottish equivalent, and when Reagaird is separated into two syllables, Rea gaird, the second syllable appears to look like the Irish Gaelic word gearrtha, cut. In other words, that would translate as 'the shortened tongue', or the equivalent of the English word Back-slang, but not quite the same thing.

Young - Og (Irish), Eag (Manx), Ieunanc (Welsh) , Yowynk (Cornish), Yaouank (Breton).

Youth - Liaogach (Beurla Reagaird).

Dog - Cu (Irish), Co (Manx), Ci (Welsh), Kt (Cornish), Ki (Breton).

A worthless dog - Cleid (Beurla Reagaird).

I think Liaogach translates as as Grey-Youth, and hence, in may have been a colorful way of saying that young people were in the grey area, as opposed to being young or old. In other words, it may simply mean teenagers. Remove Lia and ach from Liaogach, and that brings us back to Og.

When leid is removed from Cleid, we are left with C', C', C' in place of Cu, Co, Ci, with the IOU's having been omitted.


Reult a' Choin - The Dog Star

an car a tha san t-seann-mhaide 's doirbh a thoirt ás - you can't teach an old dog new tricks, old habits die hard

fadadh-cruaidh - weather-gall, water-gall, dog-tooth (stump of a rainbow above the horizon, supposedly foretells stormy weather)

an galar a bhios sa mhàthair 's gnàth leis a bhith san nighean - we may not expect a good whelp from an ill dog

cum do làmh anns a' bhalgaire coin sin - keep your hands on that bastard of a dog!

tha e furasta clach fhaighinn gu tilgeadh air cù - it is easy to find a stick to beat a dog

tha e 'na mheadhan an cù a mharbhadh - he was responsible for killing the dog

taigh gun chù, gun chat, gun leanabh beag, taigh gun ghean gun ghàire - a house without a dog, a cat or a small child is a house without affection and happiness

Am Faclair Beag

There are no less than 8 pages with references and expressions to the word dog, in the Scottish Gaelic Online dictionary Am Faclair Beag

If someone was lost, he was a 'cù air chall', a lost dog.

When someone was in the act of distorting the truth, they were making it dog-eared, 'spàgail' -1 (act of) distorting 2 (act of) making dog-eared. Dogs were even responsible for the pot of old at the end of the rainbow, and hence the expression, an fadadh-cruaidh. Stars in the sky, were named after dogs.

And then all of a sudden, all of that history and learning is reduced to one word - Cleid. Why? Is Cleid Pig-Latin, or alternatively, were the Tinkers of Glencoe and the Highlands fully aware of the destruction of their culture and language that was taking place around them?
Yeah, they just swapped a few syllables around so their marks couldn't understand them.
That's what I said.
 

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RE: The recognition of this criminal clan (engaged in what is essentially an insurgency against civilization) as an ethnic group.
What a kick in the teeth to the hardworking law biding, honest people of Ireland by the so-called right wing party turned SJW's.
This is the worst government on the history of the state( its one SJW fuck up after another).
They are getting away it because of the economy is doing well.
Which is a result of the global boom and money printing presses little to do with them.
The hard decisions to build a economy and society that is not extremely vulnerable to the next global crash have not been made.

Meanwhile in the real world the clan operating from its halting site bases continues its crime spree, looting and fraud.

Appeal for witnesses to second shooting incident on Cork's northside

Shots were fired early on Saturday morning by a man at the halting site in Ballyvolane. Picture: Denis Scannell

Whats the difference between this and the clubhouse of a 1% biker gang?
 
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'They want us to drop our culture and throw it aside' - Traveller families won't move into €1.7m homes without stables and land - Independent.ie
A group of families won't be moving into a €1.7m development of new houses that the council has built for them unless stables and land are provided for their horses at each house.

The dispute has arisen at Cabragh Bridge outside Thurles, where members of an extended Traveller family have lived for about 50 years. It centres on the construction of six new houses on a site opposite their 'temporary' settlement.
Tipperary County Council has said it is in "discussions" to try and resolve the problem.
The houses - two five-bedroom and four three-bedroom - are all but complete but for some minor issues which have to be resolved by the building contractor.
But the Travellers living across the road say they won't be occupying them unless two stables and at least half-an-acre of land are included behind each dwelling for their horses.
The development of the detached houses, with concrete walls to the rear, wooden fencing and a stone wall at the front, took more than two years to build at a cost of €1,718,670, plus VAT.
 
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