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We are descended from the women who helped build Newgrange and the violent men who Coveted them.....( RiP the male stonemasons )

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Here is a horror story that has emerged from our DNA archive. Pre-history is not some idyll. Not like the Shire in Lord of the Rings with happy peasants all dancing drunk around a camp fire. It seems that the Darwinian laws of Nature are alive and well among Human Populations also. Red in tooth and claw.

So the next time you listen to David Attenburgh explaining the behaviours of Lions, Zebra's and Orca's you should be mindful that he is holding up a mirror to all of us.

From the Stone-Age, through Helen of Troy and on to the office floor of any software company at Sandyford. Men compete against each other to extend their blood line. As in nature, Some males win and other males lose. Women wait at the finish-line for the time the winning men have been identified. Success breeds success. Messi & Ronaldo are highly desired. The broken player who was let go from Shamrock Rovers....not so much. Not so many females are classified as failures in life, but many males are.

Discuss....

 
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Here is a horror story that has emerged from our DNA archive. Pre-history is not some idyll. Not like the Shire in Lord of the Rings with happy peasants all dancing drunk around a camp fire. It seems that the Darwinian laws of Nature are alive and well among Human Populations also. Red in tooth and claw.

So the next time you listen to David Attenburgh explaining the behaviours of Lions, Zebra's and Orca's you should be mindful that he is holding up a mirror to all of us.

From the Stone-Age, through Helen of Troy and on to the office floor of any software company at Sandyford. Men compete against each other to extend their blood line. As in nature, Some males win and other males lose. Women wait at the finish-line for the time the winning men have been identified. Success breeds success. Messi & Ronaldo are highly desired. The broken player who was let go from Shamrock Rovers....not so much. Not so many females are classified as failures in life, but many males are.

Discuss....

Yes.

We were not a unified Celtic people here either.

The aboriginal Irish, sometimes referred to as the Cruithin, got their holes kicked by the Celts fleeing Julius Caesar on the Continent and SE Britain. They originally settled in the Shannon and made their way up through what is now Connacht.

The Goideal Glas /Milesian stuff is pure nonsense.

Then the Celts battered the shit out of each other until the Normans came. There was no idyllic high king of Tara. That was a later fabrication. The original Tara was in fact 'Turoe' in county Galway. It was the centre of a grand Celtic oppidum that was once referred to by Ptolemy (yes, that Ptolemy) as the most illustrious celtic capital in the British Isles. Medieval 'historians' rewrote history to big-up Tara as the ancient centre of Ireland first for the O'Nelills benefit and later for Leinster Chiefs. The archaelolgy doesn't back it up, but does back up Turoe/Loughrea/Athenry/Clarenbridge and Maree in county Galway as a central power in Iron Age Ireland.

The Cruithins I believe made their way north. Ulster and Connacht were at each other for centuries then, carrying out massacres on occasion. The whole Tara thing is a bit of a myth, albeit a very comforting one.
 

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Here is a horror story that has emerged from our DNA archive. Pre-history is not some idyll. Not like the Shire in Lord of the Rings with happy peasants all dancing drunk around a camp fire. It seems that the Darwinian laws of Nature are alive and well among Human Populations also. Red in tooth and claw.

So the next time you listen to David Attenburgh explaining the behaviours of Lions, Zebra's and Orca's you should be mindful that he is holding up a mirror to all of us.

From the Stone-Age, through Helen of Troy and on to the office floor of any software company at Sandyford. Men compete against each other to extend their blood line. As in nature, Some males win and other males lose. Women wait at the finish-line for the time the winning men have been identified. Success breeds success. Messi & Ronaldo are highly desired. The broken player who was let go from Shamrock Rovers....not so much. Not so many females are classified as failures in life, but many males are.

Discuss....

The daily mail does this from time to time it takes one possible theory out of context to terrify british people that they are going to be slaughtered in their beds by the nasty foriegners. This was the same paper who was saying nasty things about Irish people.

That being said every empire has survived thrived and been defeated through violence.

Looking at it objectively our own country came into being as a result of extreme levels of voilence. The British didn't just magically decide to up and leave this country. They left because they were being murdered and knew they could no longer control us without a level of violence that America would not have tolerated. The British empire managed to to control this island for so long using the same method violence.

Even to this day the loyalists in the North are terrified of the Catholics because of the slaughter that went on of loyalists during the plantations.

Humans are super predators that's nothing new. The only real way way we will ever have peace is to massacre everyone that disagrees with us. the only reason the world is someone at peace now is because of the invention of the atomic bomb. Our own instinct for survival ie if we continue to fight the nuke will destroy the world overrides our other instinct for survival through voilence.

We are literally at a crossroads where there is two options either we will grow out of our instinctual need to survive at any cost or we will destroy ourselves.
 

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I turned off when the OP.s rather poor link started to say “The hordes of Yamannake warriors swept unceremoniously through Europe plundering and killing etc etc etc.”

How do hordes plunder and kill in a sweeping ceremonious manner I wondered.

No , it’s the sort of horse shyte ancient archaeology on a par with the horse urine from jumped up naturalists and scientists endlessly waffling about climate change.
 

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Yes.

We were not a unified Celtic people here either.

The aboriginal Irish, sometimes referred to as the Cruithin, got their holes kicked by the Celts fleeing Julius Caesar on the Continent and SE Britain. They originally settled in the Shannon and made their way up through what is now Connacht.

The Goideal Glas /Milesian stuff is pure nonsense.

Then the Celts battered the shit out of each other until the Normans came. There was no idyllic high king of Tara. That was a later fabrication. The original Tara was in fact 'Turoe' in county Galway. It was the centre of a grand Celtic oppidum that was once referred to by Ptolemy (yes, that Ptolemy) as the most illustrious celtic capital in the British Isles. Medieval 'historians' rewrote history to big-up Tara as the ancient centre of Ireland first for the O'Nelills benefit and later for Leinster Chiefs. The archaelolgy doesn't back it up, but does back up Turoe/Loughrea/Athenry/Clarenbridge and Maree in county Galway as a central power in Iron Age Ireland.

The Cruithins I believe made their way north. Ulster and Connacht were at each other for centuries then, carrying out massacres on occasion. The whole Tara thing is a bit of a myth, albeit a very comforting one.
Is this the new revisionist BS? British Isles? Oh really?

Your thesis is that all of Irish pre-Christian history is made up and propaganda driven.
And the Gaels came here by fleeing Julius Caesar?
Are you Cruimh?
Then the Celts battered the shit out of each other until the Normans came. There was no idyllic high king of Tara.
The English battered the shit out of each other during the Wars of the Roses. There was no King of England.
 
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There was honour in battle back then. I recall a story from olden days of a European tribe of Visigoths that were being encroached on from the East and pushed West where there was eventually nowhere left to turn. They despised both groups on the East and West of them but were outnumbered. Rather than integrate into these opposing factions, they divided their tribe in two and fought each-other to the death.

They wouldn't be too fond of computers or sleeping indoors either, and not for lack of resources or knowledge.
 

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Here is a horror story that has emerged from our DNA archive. Pre-history is not some idyll. Not like the Shire in Lord of the Rings with happy peasants all dancing drunk around a camp fire. It seems that the Darwinian laws of Nature are alive and well among Human Populations also. Red in tooth and claw.

So the next time you listen to David Attenburgh explaining the behaviours of Lions, Zebra's and Orca's you should be mindful that he is holding up a mirror to all of us.

From the Stone-Age, through Helen of Troy and on to the office floor of any software company at Sandyford. Men compete against each other to extend their blood line. As in nature, Some males win and other males lose. Women wait at the finish-line for the time the winning men have been identified. Success breeds success. Messi & Ronaldo are highly desired. The broken player who was let go from Shamrock Rovers....not so much. Not so many females are classified as failures in life, but many males are.

Discuss....

They based this villain on them...


There can be only one appropriate theme.
 

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Is this the new revisionist BS? British Isles? Oh really?

Your thesis is that all of Irish pre-Christian history is made up and propaganda driven.
And the Gaels came here by fleeing Julius Caesar?
Are you Cruimh?


The English battered the shit out of each other during the Wars of the Roses. There was no King of England.
Now now, steady on. I'm not talking about the English.

The British Isles were considered by Ptolemy to be Celtic.

The revisionists who twist history and sanitize the evil inflicted on Irish Catholics are, in my opinion, despicable pieces of dirt.

However those honest historians who expose the bull from our savage Celtic past are just telling the truth.

Truth beats myth hands down every time. There was no high king of Tara. Sorry.

The more you discover how greedy, violent and utterly Machiavellian many Gaelic chieftains were - and most of all -

HOW THEY WERE THE FIRST ONES TO REWRITE HISTORY ON THIS ISLAND (AND ESPECIALLY CONCEAL THE ORIGINAL CAPITAL OF CELTIC IRELAND IN TUROE) WITH THEIR BLOOD RELATION ABBOTS AND SCRIBES/SCHOLARS

the more you can understand where the skullduggery and downright dishonesty so rampant in Ireland now comes from.

Now, you could do worse than reflect on how many of these 'english' you are talking about, were in fact descendants of the Celts in Britain who didn't make it over to Ireland.

Queen Medb, who I know a fair bit about was a close descendant of the Celtic chief Commius who escaped Britain to Ireland.

The destruction of Celtic Britain was the making of Celtic Ireland, but the aboriginal Irish didn't necessarily celebrate that.
 

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I think the reality is that the people who were in Ireland since the Ice Age are still the majority of people in Ireland today. Celtic culture came to Ireland from the continent - I'd say a lot earlier than had once been thought. It was brought by a warrior elite and eventually adopted by the general population - while keeping a great deal of their own ancient customs. There was no population replacement. The Basques still have a pre Indo-European language. They are the only ones in Europe that do. I expect that the builders of Newgrange spoke a language closely related to Basque.

Regarding the Anglo-Saxon invasion of England, the latest archeology strongly suggests that there was no massive population replacement there either. The population is still generally the Ice Age population. There weren't nearly as many Saxon invaders as was previously thought. Certainly not enough to carry out a population replacement. It appears that the Celtic population gradually adopted the English language, but kept on many - if not most - of their Romano-Celtic customs. They certainly kept their Christian religion and actually converted the heathen Saxons.
 
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I think the reality is that the people who were in Ireland since the Ice Age are still the majority of people in Ireland today. Celtic culture came to Ireland from the continent - I'd say a lot earlier than had once been thought. It was brought by a warrior elite and eventually adopted by the general population - while keeping a great deal of their own ancient customs. There was no population replacement. The Basques still have a pre Indo-European language. They are the only ones in Europe that do. I expect that the builders of Newgrange spoke a language closely related to Basque.

Regarding the Anglo-Saxon invasion of England, the latest archeology strongly suggests that there was no massive population replacement there either. The population is still generally the Ice Age population. There weren't nearly as many Saxon invaders as was previously thought. Certainly not enough to carry out a population replacement. It appears that the Celtic population gradually adopted the English language, but kept on many - if not most - of their Romano-Celtic customs. They certainly kept their Christian religion and actually converted the heathen Saxons.
A finbarr i know works in an office in Kent with 3 or 4 English Trevors. The English all did that DNA ancestry test and to their horror they all came up as German !!
 

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Now now, steady on. I'm not talking about the English.

The British Isles were considered by Ptolemy to be Celtic.

The revisionists who twist history and sanitize the evil inflicted on Irish Catholics are, in my opinion, despicable pieces of dirt.

However those honest historians who expose the bull from our savage Celtic past are just telling the truth.

Truth beats myth hands down every time. There was no high king of Tara. Sorry.

The more you discover how greedy, violent and utterly Machiavellian many Gaelic chieftains were - and most of all -

HOW THEY WERE THE FIRST ONES TO REWRITE HISTORY ON THIS ISLAND (AND ESPECIALLY CONCEAL THE ORIGINAL CAPITAL OF CELTIC IRELAND IN TUROE) WITH THEIR BLOOD RELATION ABBOTS AND SCRIBES/SCHOLARS

the more you can understand where the skullduggery and downright dishonesty so rampant in Ireland now comes from.

Now, you could do worse than reflect on how many of these 'english' you are talking about, were in fact descendants of the Celts in Britain who didn't make it over to Ireland.

Queen Medb, who I know a fair bit about was a close descendant of the Celtic chief Commius who escaped Britain to Ireland.

The destruction of Celtic Britain was the making of Celtic Ireland, but the aboriginal Irish didn't necessarily celebrate that.
These theories of how the Europeans aren't really native to their land are all the vogue over the last few decades.

This is just a modified version which is pointedly anti Gaelic with confirmation bias and a whole lot of fantasising.

The earliest records we have are from the Christian period, the truth is we just do not know for sure a whole lot about what went before, Irish history being orally passed on. So i am suspicious of your own certainty on this matter and the way you seem to make things up to fit your thesis. I am especially suspicious of your Brit centric perspective making us a satelite of their influence, it is classic unionist revisionism. And of how you dismiss all Gaelic history as a propaganda, it is fanciful and biased. It reminds me of that Unionist fella who tried to claim the loyalists were there first and the Gaels came later from Turkey.

Yes Ptolemy did mention Prittanic Isles but he meant it in a completely different archaic context, it proves nothing.
 
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