Viktor Orbán: Native Population Decline Is The "Sickness Of Europe"

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Emigration has always provided a pressure relief valve.
Agree, but now it’s different. Before, it was the unemployed who left Ireland.
We are now exporting our highly educated citizens and replacing these with low skilled foreigners.
In Romania, their skilled welders are leaving the country whilst low paid, transient apprentices from Thailand are taking up welding jobs in Romania. It’s crazy.
 

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Agree, but now it’s different. Before, it was the unemployed who left Ireland.
We are now exporting our highly educated citizens and replacing these with low skilled foreigners.
In Romania, their skilled welders are leaving the country whilst low paid, transient apprentices from Thailand are taking up welding jobs in Romania. It’s crazy.
The Irish Right needs to get real. Immigration isn't the real reason that Ireland will go the way of the UK and Mainland Europe.

Orban has hit the nail on the head. Ireland has embraced The Culture of Death, i.e. same-sex marriage, contraception and abortion - all of which lead to demographic suicide. It's basic mathematics.
Immigration is the solution being adopted by our leaders. It's the solution that will save their skins but it won't save the Irish Nation.

The Right needs to focus its energies on what is logical and reasonable - making babies.
If the Irish don't regenerate in sufficient numbers then they are finished as a people and as a culture. That's not an opinion - it's maths.
 
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The Irish Right needs to get real. Immigration isn't the real reason that Ireland will go the way of the UK and Mainland Europe.

Orban has hit the nail on the head. Ireland has embraced The Culture of Death, i.e. same-sex marriage, contraception and abortion - all of which lead to demographic suicide. It's basic mathematics.
Immigration is the solution being adopted by our leaders. It's the solution that will save their skins but it won't save the Irish Nation.

The Right needs to focus its energies on what is logical and reasonable - making babies.
If the Irish don't regenerate in sufficient numbers then they are finished as a people and as a culture. That's not an opinion - it's maths.
Focus on policies that SUPPORT THE IRISH FAMILY.
 

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Focus on policies that SUPPORT THE IRISH FAMILY.

Yes, we need support and preference for the Irish family. But we also need an ideology that puts collective duty before individual choice. In a culture of individual choice, individuals will always find a way to spend any extra money they have on consumer commodities rather than on babies.
 
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Here’s how it works; A married couple receives the €30,600 as a loan from the government upon getting married. The loan then has to be repaid until the couple has three children. At this point, the debt is completely forgiven.
This is a great idea, if you have the three children you don't have to repay anything, except hungary controls its borders and is over 98% hungarian, we are at 80% or less native irish at this point and the youth end of the demographic pyramid is weighted towards the foreigners, not the native irish, so the stats are even worse for us as a people.

Unless you can implement this only for the native irish, in the current state we are in, that 30,000 offer would be taken up by foreigners more so as a percentage and will see an influx of even more foreign dependents on the state. Immigration is the issue and reversing this economy based around importing foreign corporations and the workers they demand the state imports in return as example.

There is nothing wrong with a population decreasing in size in a country, it has always happened, societies and its economy adapt as long as said society is run as a nation first, different weights naturally appear and births rebound with the right policies implemented over a long period of time.

The issue we have today is that those running things see GDP as the only metric that matters and can't plan past next week, GDP must always rise no matter the cost to the nation. We owe over 200~ billion and are run like a business where we must pay off our owners and the rent seekers and those at the top must keep their living standards from falling, and keeping the cheap nanny, dog walkers, pedicurists etc.., or lots of place to drink their lattes and eat out or order in, exotic prostitutes, lots of coke and other drugs for sale etc..., all fueled by cheap slave labour.

As about 1.2 million mostly low-skilled legal immigrants are admitted to the U.S. every year to take primarily low-wage jobs, an underclass of servants for the wealthy has boomed over the last decade compared with overall job growth.

Research by MIT’s David Autor reveals that servant class jobs like manicurists and pedicurists have grown 114 percent between 2008 and 2018. Meanwhile, all U.S. jobs have grown just seven percent in that same time period.

Likewise, massage therapist jobs have grown 105 percent over the last decade, family therapist jobs have grown 98 percent, skincare specialist jobs have grown 93 percent, and animal caretaker jobs have grown nearly 60 percent.

Economists admit that these servant class jobs are oftentimes self-employed and therefore leave workers without benefits like health insurance and offer low wages.
You have to fix this first, but too many Dolly Parton fans in the pyramid, especially at the top, like the current status quo and others are too afraid for other things like their pensions or house prices etc... Personally I don't see it changing outside economic collapse first. You need to get a few people in the dail in the next elections that will hammer this home, and if the arse falls out of the greatest ponzi scheme this country has ever seen, they will be in a position to take some form of political hold the next elections after.
 
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Focus on policies that SUPPORT THE IRISH FAMILY.
like the 'irish family' i saw in the poster at my supermarket ? yeah right.

'people' are doing quite well on fertility in ireland. Just not so many irish people. We are like the Apache in 1800, or the white moth during the industrial revolution.

The environment has changed radically and we are not evolving to deal with it.
 
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The problem with rule by the rich is that they tend to be morally inferior.

The thing i fear the most is technology. It has the ability to enslave most of us forever, the kind of totalitarianism enjoyed in ancient Egypt - forever.

Breaking the link between political power and money is imho essential for our survival.
 

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Yes, we need support and preference for the Irish family. But we also need an ideology that puts collective duty before individual choice. In a culture of individual choice, individuals will always find a way to spend any extra money they have on consumer commodities rather than on babies.
This 'we must breed' is a load of bollox.

We can figure out how to preserve ourselves even with a declining population. It is the idea that every economy must grow every year - to pay off the usurers - that should be changed.
 

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This 'we must breed' is a load of bollox.

We can figure out how to preserve ourselves even with a declining population.
Unfortunately, a birthrate crisis has accompanied most cultural collapses (notably Greek and Roman cultures).
People will go on, but history tells us it's unlikely our cultural identity will, if those cultural values have mutated anyway from family (and, by extension, community) values.
 
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This 'we must breed' is a load of bollox.

We can figure out how to preserve ourselves even with a declining population. It is the idea that every economy must grow every year - to pay off the usurers - that should be changed.

We must breed regardless of debt. Otherwise the population becomes old, selfish and weak. That's what happened to the Romans too.
 
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