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UK General Election 2019 UK General election December 2019

will this election return a majority to deliver Brexit by Jan31 2020

  • Yes

    Votes: 41 78.8%
  • No

    Votes: 11 21.2%

  • Total voters
    52

FairstoodtheWind

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The Labour Party was undone by the enemy within. That is the Labour Blairites who are Tories in every sense. They opposed Brexit and obstructed the Democratic vote of 17.4 million .a majority of them Labour voters.
The likes of Yvette Cooper , Emily Thornberry, Hilary Benn, Keir, Tom Watson. have lost touch with their base and are Europhiles. They treated their supporters with contempt. They have paid the price.
These Politicians do not seem to be aware of the dangerous direction the EU has taken or its inept Economic and Monetary policies that have destroyed the economies of many European Nations.
Many politicians are as thick as 2 planks when it comes to Economics, not surprising ,when what they teach in the Mainstream is unadulterated horse manure.
Jeremy Corbyn was not ruthless enough to oppose this element ,who undermined him at every opportunity.
Tony Blairs project to destroy the Socialism of the Labour Party has been a success.
Too simplistic to blame Blairites. Corbyn's Momentum org is filled with faux left middle class student types and are Remain to the core. They are not of the working people yet think have a divine right to speak for them. Paternalistic elitism worthy of any 19th century Tory.
 
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This was all Jeremys fault the longer he dithered on brexit the more weak and pathetic he looked
 
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My granddad hated Thatcher and the Tories. Here's why he voted for Boris


Nevertheless, this month’s election was a watershed moment. My grandfather, who picketed alongside the likes of Arthur Scargill went out and voted for Boris Johnson’s Conservative party. It is almost incomprehensible to believe that the people my grandfather addressed as they burned an effigy of Thatcher six years ago went out in their hundreds and voted Conservative too. If anybody had suggested this would happen just five years ago, you would’ve been chased out of the local labour club.
 
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Opinion: There will be no Singapore-upon-Thames. The UK cannot strike the same trade deal with the EU


Conservative MP Owen Paterson, former Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, who was a leading voice in the Leave.EU campaign in 2016, believes that a Singapore-upon-Thames would be a “low-tax, low-spend, low regulation” Britain.
 

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My granddad hated Thatcher and the Tories. Here's why he voted for Boris

It was the media that made Grandpops mind up, the trick is that he doesn't even know it.

The real challenge for voters is not with the politicians it's with the media, ask any average voter about media influence on elections and they won't be able to come up even with an argument. They won't know why they are so strongly antagonistic to Corbyn, they think it's an idea they thought up themselves. They have had fifteen years of Tory rule yet they hate Corbyn, they must love how everything is.
 

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In addition studies show that mass immigration and racial tensions make people want to abandon the welfare state, makes them more economic right wing.

Explains why all the Centre Right parties (including the Tories) have supported it, why the Blairites championed it those red tories.

What i cannot understand is why intelligent genuine economically left wing people would support it, i think it is a blind spot of theirs.
 

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It was the media that made Grandpops mind up, the trick is that he doesn't even know it.

The real challenge for voters is not with the politicians it's with the media, ask any average voter about media influence on elections and they won't be able to come up even with an argument. They won't know why they are so strongly antagonistic to Corbyn, they think it's an idea they thought up themselves. They have had fifteen years of Tory rule yet they hate Corbyn, they must love how everything is.
Perhaps the people could see for themselves how labour had betrayed the people. It's funny that you think that media is canny enough to trick other people but not you however. You're much too clever. The working class on the other hand are thick and should just let revolutionary left do their thinking for them.
 

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It was the media that made Grandpops mind up, the trick is that he doesn't even know it.

The real challenge for voters is not with the politicians it's with the media, ask any average voter about media influence on elections and they won't be able to come up even with an argument. They won't know why they are so strongly antagonistic to Corbyn, they think it's an idea they thought up themselves. They have had fifteen years of Tory rule yet they hate Corbyn, they must love how everything is.
The media is more diverse in Britain than it is here.

Notwithstanding this the bulk of the UK media, esp TV was pro Remain

- but granpops voted Leave

- & was basically branded a 'Racist Bigot' for doing so

- by the Plum Puddings inside the BLP!

So voting Tory was basically his way of saying 'Fcuk U' to the Politburo of the Party.
 

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Perhaps the people could see for themselves how labour had betrayed the people. It's funny that you think that media is canny enough to trick other people but not you however. You're much too clever. The working class on the other hand are thick and should just let revolutionary left do their thinking for them.
I see the media, i know their power and influence which is extreme nearly total. Though it is never discussed.

It is just taken as given that they are above scrutiny. They savaged Corbyn and went as far as character assassination, why? Because he wants to tax the rich? Because he won't fight Israel's battles?

I'd be willing to accept the alternative explanation that the masses are just economically right wing and jingoistic. If that is true then fair enough, they have got what they wanted just let them shut up about Corbyn from here on out, don't let them complain about him 'Oh if only Corbyn hadn't been like this or like that' they made their bed, it's on them, he gave them the first alternative to what they have had continuously for decades. The media aren't going to be able to blame everything the govt does on the Opposition forever, the trick only works for so long ............or does it?
 

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I see the media, i know their power and influence which is extreme nearly total. Though it is never discussed.

It is just taken as given that they are above scrutiny. They savaged Corbyn and went as far as character assassination, why? Because he wants to tax the rich? Because he won't fight Israel's battles?

I'd be willing to accept the alternative explanation that the masses are just economically right wing and jingoistic. If that is true then fair enough, they have got what they wanted just let them shut up about Corbyn from here on out, don't let them complain about him 'Oh if only Corbyn hadn't been like this or like that' they made their bed, it's on them, he gave them the first alternative to what they have had continuously for decades. The media aren't going to be able to blame everything the govt does on the Opposition forever, the trick only works for so long ............or does it?
Corbyn who is no actual friend of the EU was all over the place on the issue of Brexit which was a very central issue in this election, this is a major issue, plus rather than confront them head on he instead tried to appease the Jewish Judeo-Nazis which was always going to lead to disaster and only served to make him look weak as well as serve to alienate others (for instance his okaying chucking even Jewish members of the Party out for supposed anti-Semitism). I do think the fact that his views on Britain's colonial past and the Windsors being basically the same as Tadgh's here, whatever the rationality and justice of them, did serve alienate people. He could have combated that by saying out and out patriotic things which would not necessarily at all go against his views on these issues but he didn't.
 

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The media is more diverse in Britain than it is here.

Notwithstanding this the bulk of the UK media, esp TV was pro Remain

- but granpops voted Leave

- & was basically branded a 'Racist Bigot' for doing so

- by the Plum Puddings inside the BLP!

So voting Tory was basically his way of saying 'Fcuk U' to the Politburo of the Party.
When did Corbyn say it to them that they are racist bigots?

Corbyn was actually anti remain.

Whatever catharsis he got in his own head by saying up yours Jeremy will wear off fast. He has an Eton boy wedded to Israel whose idea of nationalism is cuts, privatisation and free markets and lowering of food standards.
 
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