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There are times that the Garda should turn a blind eye.

missy

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i would agree with you, but the lack of money for prisons is surely a big part of the problem.

we should do as in the US, put criminals working to earn their keep.

Put them to work building prisons.
The cost of new prisons will easily be offset by less policing requirements.
 

Clarke-Connolly

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The solution is actually very simple - enforced minimum sentencing.
Minimum 1 year for 1st criminal offence.
Minimum 5 years for 3rd criminal offence.
Minimum 10 years for 5th criminal offence.
You'll see crime collapse within 3 years.

Crime is a very strong adherent to the 80/20 rule.
20% of criminals will commit 80% of crimes.
Hit those 20% hard and you'll see crime plummet.

You also need minimum sentencing for civil offences, albeit more forgiving at the beginning.

But the key is it's implementation.
You need to avoid rubbish like this:


As you say its about hitting that 20% of Criminals that commit 80% of Crime and locking them up for Very Long Times !
 

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Perhaps there is more to this than meets the eye but the level of organised criminality in places like darndale /priorswoord are ridiclously predictable . I do not know how people would choose to live there.

The garda organisers should close the roads, send in a couple of goons dressed as scumbags and go to town on them ..literally turn a blind eye .
Do You Know what's going on? The gardai know what going on? Turf wars? And look the whole community turns a blind eye when their sons, brothers and friends are shot and stabbed by rival gangs. "Mr Cashie" & "Mr Dogsballs" are cutting the kids down to size and most likely are working for a bigger plan which they may not even be aware of themselves.🤨
 

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The life kids spend at home in their formative years in a small number of homes in these areas
is just hell, they know no better, they lash out , they are not nurtured but subjected to the most
dysfunctional family chaos in modern society,

throwing out an idea,, not standing over it , but , if the local community, extended family, social services
the local Garda , Schools etc,, could intervene and remove kids from the nightmare family home they
might stand a chance,,

Of course it has to be evidence led and based on facts ,, what is the point of letting Children grow up in
violent, drug abusing ,waster households when the kids next door are doing just fine ?

In a week where the fake news claim to be caring about "Children" regarding the cruel mother/child homes
run by the Catholic Church but 100% of the fake news were cheerleaders for abortion on demand which
meant far, far, more death would have occurred in that time if abortion on demand was available and there would have been
no mother/child homes cos, there would be no child ? fuking hypocrites,
 

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surely when the cops jail a drug dealer its just a matter of minutes before somebody else begins selling in his old territory ?

watch the movie 'Traffic'..........all the movers & shakers saying the war on drugs is a lost cause.

I would wager that a lot of Irish consumers of cocaine fancy themselves as environmentalists and friends of the earth.
They remain conveniently unaware of the depradations that cultivation of coca and preparation of cocaine make on the LatAm countryside.
Every sniff has been bought with pollution and violence.
 

icancani

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Every sniff has been bought with pollution and violence.
Sniff's are bought on-line too . . .

"Procaine: Description: White crystals or white crystaline powder, odourless, taste slight bitter and then turn to a benumbing sensation. Freely soluble in water, slight souble in ethanol and chlorefrom, almost insoluble in ethylether.

And we also supply the products: lidocaine ,benzocaine,etc.."

And what about the dreaded Levamisole?
"Levamisole has increasingly been discovered in street cocaine as an adulterant. Recent reports have linked levamisole in street cocaine to agranulocytosis in cocaine users. It is well known that agranulocytosis is associated with therapeutic use of levamisole, and this may have led to the withdrawal of the drug from the US market. Levamisole was a US Food and Drug Administration-approved drug that has been used as an immunomodulator, a chemotherapy adjuvant, and anthelmintic medication. The purpose of adulterating street cocaine with levamisole is not known, but it has been speculated that it is added intentionally in order to potentiate the effects of cocaine."
 

icancani

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Besides Gardai would be unable to turn a blind eye since they routinely employ the use of Informers, have undercover officers surveilling and buying in the area to keep competition out, have officers clandestinely working for the gangs, all seen on street cams.
Consult the Minister at the Department of Social Engineering for further details.
 
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Besides Gardai would be unable to turn a blind eye since they routinely employ the use of Informers, have undercover officers surveilling and buying in the area to keep competition out, have officers clandestinely working for the gangs, all seen on street cams.
Consult the Minister at the Department of Social Engineering for further details.

Without a doubt there is a bit of collaboration going on .

When I used to frequent town (Dublin) , there was always the same heads in the same places. The corner of north earl and Marlborough st used to have a dealer on each corner selling pills etc. If I could spot this , there is no doubt the Garda could as well ..but yet they sold there for ages.

When crims are the only money makers in an area , they attract young people like a magnet . The rigors of the law do not seem to work and a more disruptive method is needed.
Apparently the dealers in priorswood/darndale also act as the doormen, only letting those who come with money to buy into the area. If the likes of you or me decided to take a stroll around the leafy suburbs of DDale we would not get very far.
 

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When crims are the only money makers in an area , they attract young people like a magnet . The rigors of the law do not seem to work and a more disruptive method is needed.
The thing is, imho, It's a drug war, Guns & marching powder and as posters have already mentioned many participants have been born into it's chaos and horror. It appears the only thing that works is to take the profit out of the system? For example Swiss and Dutch authorities actually supply the heroin and needles free of charge now. they probably tried all sorts of other initiatives but in the end it's 'Just give 'em what they want'. Can wider society see the benefits?

Same with the Cannabis, we don't realise just how much money is at stake, and the profits??? all gifted to Mr Kilstabber?
Better alternative exist, here's a factoid from last year for example . . .

"There was a time that Maine was famous for its potatoes and wild blueberries.
That is, until marijuana became its biggest agricultural commodity.
From January to October, sales of medical marijuana reached an outstanding $221.8 million! These figures are more than twice what was sold during the same period last year, according to the Portland Press Herald."

The real crime is maintaining the state of prohibition from which all other unpleasantness is unleashed . . .
Except for the prohibitive apparatus which earns it's pay accordingly. imo
 
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