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Wow.
100% homelessness in capitalist societies.

Less and less young people are able to afford a home under Capitalist Régimes.
 
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Wow.
100% homelessness in capitalist societies.
This thread is about the increasing improbability of citizens of so called capitalist societies to be able to attain the security which comes from home ownership to allow them to raise a family and be rooted and have a stake in their communities. Basically one of the benefits sold to us of living in western capitalist societies which separated us from the developing and communist worlds, one of the fundamental features of what ordinary people regard as part of the social contract.
Now, in order to serve open borders globo-homo, owning a home is becoming an impossible dream for an ever increasing percentage of the population who are told that spending half or more of their after tax income of rent for a shoe box stacked on top of other shoe boxes is all they should aspire to.

My house cost 20x more than the house I grew up in, is smaller and my mortgage term is over twice the length of my parents who could afford to pay theirs on one income. Will my children be able to afford to purchase their own homes?

Homelessness was already at historical highs in this country and rising before COVID19. No doubt once COVID has passed homelessness will again become an issue the media cannot ignore and there will be an ever increasing rise in homelessness regardless of whether you are single or have a family

because the Irish State no longer has a stake in the security and aspirations of Irish families as can be seen by the prioritising of the issue of legalising illegal immigrants in government formation talks
 

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This thread is about the increasing improbability of citizens of so called capitalist societies to be able to attain the security which comes from home ownership to allow them to raise a family and be rooted and have a stake in their communities. Basically one of the benefits sold to us of living in western capitalist societies which separated us from the developing and communist worlds, one of the fundamental features of what ordinary people regard as part of the social contract.
Now, in order to serve open borders globo-homo, owning a home is becoming an impossible dream for an ever increasing percentage of the population who are told that spending half or more of their after tax income of rent for a shoe box stacked on top of other shoe boxes is all they should aspire to.

My house cost 20x more than the house I grew up in, is smaller and my mortgage term is over twice the length of my parents who could afford to pay theirs on one income. Will my children be able to afford to purchase their own homes?

Homelessness was already at historical highs in this country and rising before COVID19. No doubt once COVID has passed homelessness will again become an issue the media cannot ignore and there will be an ever increasing rise in homelessness regardless of whether you are single or have a family

because the Irish State no longer has a stake in the security and aspirations of Irish families as can be seen by the prioritising of the issue of legalising illegal immigrants in government formation talks
That's nothing to do with capitalism.
You've just proven this yourself.
Capitalism is about having to get off your ass and work.
The country is importing homelessness - by definition, that's a social experiment, not a capital one.
 

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Less and less young people are able to afford a home under Capitalist Régimes.
Well somebody is.
But then, we're not a capitalist regime to begin with.

We tax new builds at 13.5% VAT - that's not very capitalist.
Our services 23% VAT rate is one of the highest in the world. (TOP 6 - Highest VAT rates in the world - Accounting & Finance blog)
We give rent allowance of €1,950 per month to unmarried mothers (plus dole cash & a ton of benefits) - nor is that very capitalist.
We have one of the highest minimum wages in the world - nope, not seeing the capitalist agenda here either.
We import homelessness, thereby burdening the taxpayer further - no capitalist economic textbook suggests that.

Indeed, other than the low corporation tax rate (which incidentally, is higher than the likes of Hungary Corporate Tax Rates Around the World | Tax Foundation) there's literally nothing in Ireland to suggest we're anything but a hyper-socialist country.
 
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That's nothing to do with capitalism.
You've just proven this yourself.
Capitalism is about having to get off your ass and work.
The country is importing homelessness - by definition, that's a social experiment, not a capital one.
You are having to be off your ass a lot more than you used to

 

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...is that the state can take your home off you and there is nothing you can do about it.

The worst thing about Capitalism is you can't afford a home in the first place


China is not a communist country in the purest sense. China is using the prosperity of capitalism to ensure the Communist party stays in power. It's a bread and circus strategy. They are hoping to keep people placated by giving them a taste of some of what the west has all the while maintaining state control of companies and political control of the country. It's basically taxation by another means. The problem with that is as people get more money they start to want more and more freedom. It's more accurate to call us a one party state which has developed a talent for survival.

As regards capitalism there is no country that has capitalism in the purest sense. Even in America the bastion of capitalism there is taxation ie redistribution. if you don't pay your property tax if it's even one day late they can and do take your house and sell it. try not paying your taxes in any of these so-called capitalist countries and see what happens. they put al Capone in jail for it.

why there is some capitalism when it's the good times at any point in time your goods and services can be seized for the good of the State. its happened in war. Car Factories are told what to make ie tanks. It happened recently with the coronavirus when one guy stockpiled masks. The state took them.

Even in any so-called capitalist country. The government will tax you to pay for schools services police army and possibly for people who don't make as much money as you. To encourage companies to open or pay for companies to start up and grow the government will give them your money.

Think you can avoid it by not handling it over guess what they will simply print more money and devalue the existing money you have. This is not capitalism in the purest sense.

Ultimately both systems have the same objective. keeping psychopaths in power controlling the masses and keep them busy on a hamster wheel.

The only ultimate tangible asset that people have is their time that is what what governments and companies tap into.

Say if you work 60 hours a week and you get €1,000 and you spend all the profit you make down the pub or the bookies or on drugs then basically you wasted 60 hours of Your Life That you can't get Back to enrich somebody else.

Now if you had spent that 60 hours in working on a business plan to make something other people wanted to give you money for and you had a whole lot of minions working for you you then you can take that money that you made from that company and you can do what you want.

the average person for a variety of reasons tends to undervalue and under utilise their time. They mistake money now for the promise of maybe money in the furture. more or less the prevailing attitude of the majority is that as long as I have just enough this week then I can have fun and relax. to set up a company requires at least two years of effort and there is an 80% chance it will fail.

If you study people enough you realise that they will only give you their money if they have no other choice. That they will never have enough money to meet their needs if the keep working which they do. The system is designed to keep people working like busy fools.

if everyone had everything they needed all the time they wouldn't get out of bed in the morning they would get bored and they would demand change.

If you want to have a house and a car and family and be able to afford all that put yourself in a position where they have no choice but to give you a portion of their income. Make whatever your product or service the best or cheapest. know that somebody will take it off you sooner or later so make your money in the first 3 to 4 years or less then get out either that or be prepared to spend your life fighting for profit with other people.

the biggest problem with people who are good at making money is that is simply never know when to quit they become addicted to actually making money as opposed to using for its supposed to be which is just a means to an end.

the facts are if you have 50 or 60 million in the bank you're not going to need anymore in your lifetime.
 

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Not sure whether this is an urban legend or actually happened, but it rings of the truth

The students were complaining that the exams were too hard, and that the system should give all the student marks the average of all marks achieved (IOW Socialism/communism)
The professors disagreed saying that those that work hard deserve credit, those that don't deserve to fail (Capitalism? or common sense.), and that the 'averaging system would lead to the collapse of the education system.
But he agreed to try it.

After the first semester all students passed 'on the average mark', which was reasonable.
The students that were failing the course were, of course happy.
The students that usually do well, got lower marks, and were not happy.

The second semester, everyone barely passed.
The bad students were happy still, as they didn't have to do any work to pass.
Some the good students has adopted and attitude to stop propping up the bad students and also stopped working hard.

The third semester, everyone failed.
The bad students were now up in arms as this was unfair.
The usually good students, has stopped working all together as they were not propping up anyone.


.. and so the education system was then all f..ked up, because of a few lazy, stupid sh.tz.

Every country in Africa has gone this route, no exceptions.
Look at africa now and keep a careful eye on Bunny Joseph ;)
 

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Private property, in the form of owning private land and a private dwelling, is a no no under Communism.
Under Communism the state owns and more importantly controls all land and all dwellings.

People here harping on about folk not being able to afford to buy their own private property in a non Communist state, to justify Communism is ludicrous.
Ownership of private property has always been the exception rather than the rule.

Communism is state control of individuals individually and collectively.

With the amount of whinging there is on this site about the state, it beggars belief that anyone would try to argue the case for Communism. Couple the past abject fail of Communism throughout many countries where it was inflicted on people there, it is clear evidence shows that people choose freedom, and not Communism.
 
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Private property, in the form of owning private land and a private dwelling, is a no no under Communism.
Under Communism the state owns and more importantly controls all land and all dwellings.

People here harping on about folk not being able to afford to buy their own private property in a non Communist state, to justify Communism is ludicrous.
Ownership of private property has always been the exception rather than the rule.

Communism is state control of individuals individually and collectively.

With the amount of whinging there is on this site about the state, it beggars belief that anyone would try to argue the case for Communism. Couple the past abject fail of Communism throughout many countries where it was inflicted on people there, it is clear evidence shows that people choose freedom, and not Communism.
I am not arguing for communism. I am pointing out the failure of our supposed better system in delivering one of the building blocks of civilized society and the irony that the premier "not real" communist state has a growing middle class which allows them to purchase property. I doubt it'll last for China's middle class but we are screwed now and it's only getting worse

All so called capitalism/neo liberalism has done for the majority in western countries since the 70's is undermine and erode their stake and place in society. The key to this is housing affordability which I contend is deliberately being made unaffordable by policy.
 

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Private property, in the form of owning private land and a private dwelling, is a no no under Communism.
Under Communism the state owns and more importantly controls all land and all dwellings.

People here harping on about folk not being able to afford to buy their own private property in a non Communist state, to justify Communism is ludicrous.
Ownership of private property has always been the exception rather than the rule.

Communism is state control of individuals individually and collectively.

With the amount of whinging there is on this site about the state, it beggars belief that anyone would try to argue the case for Communism. Couple the past abject fail of Communism throughout many countries where it was inflicted on people there, it is clear evidence shows that people choose freedom, and not Communism.
Who owns the former communist states now?

Answer --

Moses Mordecai Levy's bagle biting banker backers.
 
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