- May 7, 2018
An awful lot of very harrowing personal details to take on board there Mowl.I have to hand it to you for your tenacity and obviously un-clenched teeth in that reply.
It would go a long way towards building a bridge between believers and atheists like myself were there more of it around.
Sadly, the more prevalent version of Irish Roman Catholic Christendom is far more visceral and inclined to spite and spitting hatred.
As the honourable member said up-thread: the stricter Irish Catholics on here do more to rid the rest of us of their church by us simply poking at them once in a while and then leaving them to their own devices. They're the snake that eats its own tail - in vivid colour by Panasonic and with a stereo soundtrack worthy of Brian Eno producing Ozzy Osbourne doing an album of classic jazz covers with a string section and choir of angels in high-heels and black stocking suspenders.
Instead of a Catherine Wheel they use the add-on wheels for a kiddie tricycle to iron out any issues with the more disgruntled wing of Irish atheism, cycling to and fro like the kid in Kubrick's classic, 'The Shining'. Except in their case they all carry axes and no child is safe to trike around the shop on their own.
I've yet to meet a Finnish person who says that they got their moral bottom line from the Lutheran religion - most have never had religious indoctrination at all.
Same for me - except I came through the De La Salle/violent/intimidating/predatory Roman Catholic school-type approach due to circumstances beyond my control. And I managed to emerge out the other side with my mind and body intact - and without the need for a set of God-given rules to tell me what was obviously wrong and obviously right. I learned all that just watching the sick fuckers every day and seeing first hand what they did to kids around me. And got away with it most of the time. But not with me: much as that may hurt and disappoint a certain off-kilter Catholic mod on here and his vengeful and gluttonous company. I wasn't raped, much as you might wish it upon me.
But if you need some gore, I'll offer you this: one of them (the head-brother in De La Salle) got as close as making me stand and face the wall of his office and then he put his hands on my shoulders to keep me still while he was rubbing is nose on the crown of my head - smelling my hair.
I took one step forward, yelled out, and then turned and walked home and told Mam what just happened.
Father got home from work a few hours later and Mam told him what I said and he called me over to have a one-to-one with him.
Told me I did well walking out and coming home and to do the same if it ever happened again.
I found out later that the next morning he visited the house the brothers lived in next to the school and had the housekeeper get the head brother up as there was an emergency.
The head brother wasn't seen for at least a week, and by then his eyes had begun to open and the bruises turned to yellow.
He never spoke to nor looked at me again after that.
I'm glad I come from suck fine stock: they remind of the sadness we all feel for the more privileged Catholics on here, the type who wish rape on little children.
The type who come from inherited money and inherited values too - the very scum of Irish society.
But hey - if the ten militant commandos does it for you - then good luck with that.
I'll stick with Darwin.
And it definitely would leave you with total animosity to the whole CB education set up and the associated religious beliefs to put it mildly.
Me I just realized just as there is a point where santa claus ain't real.
The whole organized religion thing isn't based on too much else.
As you read and talk and put things together for yourself you realized organized religion kept people in their place.
That's fine for some and I don't or won't denigrate people's sincerely held beliefs. It has helped people through dark times.
But back to the point.
My parents weren't too much into the religious gig.
They were into providing the best education we could get. And when it came to second level and headed to a Community school despite being able to go to "the better schools"
Best thing that ever happened to me.
Young teachers who actually gave it their best and totally unencumbered by the shyte you witnessed. (And I heard the same stories you experienced. Total admiration for your ma and da as well and how they handled things)
As for the 10 C,s
It's a good moral compass.
It's original purpose was that large groups could live in the early village without killing each other.
And a lot of Christ's teaching.
Do unto others etc is pretty relevant.
Darwin was on the money but for some the reality that we are primate's with the ability to plan ahead is hard to take.
Haven't met to many Finn's.
But I think I could get on with them from your account.