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The Pandemic, a warning from God to the catholic Irish and the world, who reject the 1st, 5th and 6th commandment?.

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(1)You really have a thoroughly cannibalised and badly flawed notion of the Holy Trinity as presented in catholic theology .
(2) You therefore have zero notion of what I worship.
(3)Your wild expostulations indicate underlying pathologies closed to rational thought.

Conclusion : you are most likely a basket case of religious resentments .
So you don't worship the deity chronicled in the Old Testament? Interesting.

As for the highlighted, it could be argued that no two individuals worship the same god.
 

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Not at all.

The lottery is random every week, you cannot say that because two of your chosen numbers appeared this week then it is a step towards winning in the future and so you constantly repeat those numbers in the mistaken belief that they will form part of the winning sequence. But that is what nature does, if a certain arrangement of atoms works it can keep it and build upon it, not discard it every time and start again. The process is called evolution.
The chance story requires that the universe wins the lottery every single time, but the odds are MASSIVELY worse than with the lottery. Does this seem even plausible?
 

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Not at all.

The lottery is random every week, you cannot say that because two of your chosen numbers appeared this week then it is a step towards winning in the future and so you constantly repeat those numbers in the mistaken belief that they will form part of the winning sequence. But that is what nature does, if a certain arrangement of atoms works it can keep it and build upon it, not discard it every time and start again. The process is called evolution.
Your argument is that every single thing which exists in the Universe, exists only through Chance.

You accept that order exists. But you put all of this order down to Chance only. I'm not misrepresenting what you've said, right?

Can you explain therefore how these atoms came into existence? How did the law governing their existence come about? How did the law materialise? How did the law replicate itself to govern all other atoms throughout time and throughout creation? How is that law maintained? Why hasn't that law "evolved"?
 

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Its not over by a long shot and the devastation to the Irish economy and way of life is immense.

The supernatural explanation for this is that God, exercising His Divine Fatherhood, is punishing the rebellious catholic Irish who have openly rejected the 5th divine commandment by allowing the murder of the unborn and the 6th Commandment by allowing homosexual "marriage".

Along with this is the widespread rejection of the 1st commandment whereby large numbers of catholic Irish refused to fulfill their Sunday Mass obligation, an obligation now waived.

The prime national responsibility for imposition of this punishment devolves on the Catholic Irish Bishops who have
[1] failed to remind their flock of their duties and moral responsibilites.
[2] listened to the advice of an obvious anti-pope in the Vatican

The prime international responsibility of course rests with the antipope who has downplayed the 6th commandment and publicly disobeyed on the 1st commandment.

The covid 19 world pandemic like all the other ones is a manifestation of Divine Anger at the conduct of the human race.

The Irish , a once mainly catholic devout people have turned their back on God and are now paying the price.

What do other posters think?
Ireland has one of the lowest death rates from the virus, 1792 numbers from 7/9/20 .So no evidence of God punishing Ireland especially.
When the virus goes will that show that God is no longer punishing the world? Look at America it has disease ,fire and violent crime.I know nothing of God throughout time the world has deadly disease disaster and war.People pray to God to take these things away but did not God bring these evils to humanity in the first place? War of course is caused by humans but not disasters such as earthquake,volcanoes and storms.
 
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Destructive? How? If you're talking about the lockdown then I agree- This is incredibly destructive. However the lockdown is entirely man-made.
Do you not understand that through agency , Gods Active/Permissive Will fully and completely controls every possible event?
[Keep that in mind next time you take a leak].
 

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Your argument is that every single thing which exists in the Universe, exists only through Chance.

You accept that order exists. But you put all of this order down to Chance only.
Can you explain therefore how these atoms came into existence? How did the law governing their existence come about? How did the law materialise? How did the law replicate itself to govern all other atoms throughout time and throughout creation? How is that maintained? Why hasn't that law "evolved"?
Chance and the application of patterns to whatever wins. The chance of amino acids combining to form DNA is probably the biggest gamble, but from then on the degree of chance required to produce you and me diminishes greatly.

Indeed, that is the very question I have posited. What was there before the big bang and who or what arranged the big bang? if there was an intelligence then what form does that intelligence take? I doubt the same force is questioning whether we attend mass every week.
 

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Chance and the application of patterns to whatever wins. The chance of amino acids combining to form DNA is probably the biggest gamble, but from then on the degree of chance required to produce you and me diminish greatly.

Indeed, that is the very question I have posited. What was there before the big bang and who or what arranged the big bang? if there was an intelligence then what form does that intelligence take? I doubt the same force is questioning whether we attend mass every week.
You're not answering the question.
DNA combines across and throughout the human species, for as long as humans have existed.

What programmes DNA to behave the way that it does, throughout the human species and throughout the time human species has been here?
Your entire argument is that this DNA behaviour arose by Chance only and therefore is perpetuated by Chance only, correct?
 

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You're not answering the question.
DNA combines across and throughout the human species, for as long as humans have existed.

What programmes DNA to behave the way that it does, throughout the human species and throughout the time human species has been here?
Your entire argument is that this DNA behaviour arose by Chance only and therefore is perpetuated by Chance only, correct?
It is how molecules interact that programmes the patterns. And they can react in different ways according to the environment.

Take carbon and oxygen, they can combine to form two compounds, carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide, one is far more stable than the other and so will prevail. Carbon monoxide, when in the presence of oxygen, will react to produce the more stable compound, a very simple pattern has been created.
 
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So you don't worship the deity chronicled in the Old Testament? Interesting.

As for the highlighted, it could be argued that no two individuals worship the same god.
The Deity chronicled in the OT is only partially revealed so any worship qua worship, of same, would be defective.
To summarize worshipping that Deity required iinm at one point sacrifices of bulls and pidgeons and that would be messy in the urban environment I inhabit.

Gods relationship with each individual is indeed different.

But the common catholic agreement on the nature of God ie Trinitarian plus the churches core teachings provide the basis for the common worship of an identified and specific Deity.

Only Catholics provide the correct worship of the One true God.
All the others are worshipping falsehoods.

God therefore occasionally chastizes errant catholic nations more severelly in order to make them more efficient and productive in the worship business..
 
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It is how molecules interact that programmes the patterns. And they can react in different ways according to the environment.
That's molecules interacting everywhere, throughout time.
What programmes molecules to interact? How is their behaviour maintained throughout time?
 
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That's molecules interacting everywhere, throughout time.
What programmes molecules to interact? How is their behaviour maintained throughout time?
You are wasting your time arguing with the likes of that poster who simply do not want to accept the reality of an ALL POWERFUL GOD.
 

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The Deity chronicled in the OT is only partially revealed so any worship qua worship, of same, would be defective.
To summarize worshipping that Deity required iinm at one point sacrifices of bulls and pidgeons and that would be messy in the urban environment I inhabit.

Gods relationship with each individual is indeed different.
But the common catholic agreement on the nature of God ie Trinitarian plus the churches core teachings provide the basis for worship of a common Deity.

Only Catholics provide the correct worship of the One true God.
All the others are worshipping falsehoods.

God therefore occasionally chastizes errant catholic nations more severelly in order to make them more efficient and productive in the worship business..
Gobildygook superimposed over a tribal myth.

At least OT Yahweh was a fun bloke.
 
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