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The narrative put forth by historians and mainstream cultural pundits regarding the American Civil War is simplistic in it's presentation, often reading like a Grimms Brothers tale - once upon a time, there were evil white slave drivers in the Southern United States who had held the noble black man in chains, exploiting and brutalising him. One eventful day along came a man by the name of Abraham Lincoln to free these wretched souls from their sorrow and misery, faithfully leading a government which was to defeat the white Southern menace, freeing the slaves in the process with America living happily ever after forever more.

I'm sure you are familiar with the 2012 movie Lincoln, directed by Stephen Spielberg for one. In this movie, the black characters are portrayed as noble and gallant, while a decent majority of the white characters present are portrayed as being foolish, racist white male congressmen who simply wish for nothing more than to halt the advance of the glorious, yet downbeaten Coloured people from ever reaching his true and full potential in life were only he to be released from his shackles. As can be predictably expected, the 2012 movie tows the decades old line regarding the American Civil War, aka, that the wonderful and saintly Lincoln did anything and everything he could within his power to free the noble black man from the life of servitude imposed upon him by ignorant and racist whites. Such media representations can not only be written off as fanciful ahistorical theatre regarding their portrayal of the Southern Cause on one hand, they also portray an Abraham Lincoln as something he never actually was to begin with. Lincoln, who had never seemed alarmed by the issue of the continuation of slavery within the South while canvassing during the run up to the 1860 election and beforehand, had in fact also on numerous occasions made suggestions in public and during personal conversations that were black slaves in fact to be freed within the US then they should be expected to return to Africa, the land of their ancestors thereafter, most notably outposts such as Liberia on the western coast of the continent. The official court historian view that the American Civil War had been fought for a glorious and righteous cause - against a sinister white Southerner populace, continues to be promulgated within media circles and through film in particular. Dig deeper into the background of these historical events and you'll find an infinitely more muddled picture.

With all other things taken into consideration, what should obviously be noted is that the younger Abraham Lincoln, a lawyer who had moved up in the world by representing the interests of large railroad interests across the US Midwest would at a later point covertly go on to represent Northern Industrial interests which favoured Hamiltonian style tariffs on all domestic imports as future President of the United States. What's also interestingly noteworthy is the fact that the trade policies adopted and promoted by the Southern states internally during the mid-19th century favoured open and free trade policies with Europe, in particular for commodities such as cotton and tobacco, both vital to them as a society with the former much in demand by mills and industries throughout Britain and France in particular. Understandably, such an arrangement conflicted heavily with Northern industrial interests who favoured a system of domestic tarrifs in order to support domestic industry, particularly when advantageous to themselves and their vested interests - such individuals also stood to lose from the Southern approach to trade policy with it's emphasis on lax restrictions. There are indeed alternative arguments which when brought forth can understandably make the events seem more plausible and less cartoonish within a wider context of unfolding events. In setting a precedent, South Carolina had decided it had had enough of what it felt to be Lincoln's government interference and undue meddling within it's own internal state affairs by Northern Yankee vested interests with a Federalist style desire for a powerful central government supported by tariffs, an arrangement which at that point had not come of age given the early victory of Jeffersonian idealism within the young nation. South Carolina's withdrawal from the Union was soon to be followed by other Southern states feeling similiar grievances, thus going forth together to eventually establish the Confederacy and a govenment with it's own set of political and economic principles.

While slavery was and always will be a wretched institution, history may not always be what it is made out to be, moreso as it will inevitably be the victor and his supporters writing the text books for future generations of students. To this day, it has certainly cast a long shadow over American culture with Southern whites continually portrayed more often than not in the least favourable manner as foolish bigots undeserving of their own culture and traditions by association, while the myth of Abraham Lincoln, more saint than mere mortal remains as culturally prevalent as it ever has.

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The US Civil War was all about the monee, not about slavery, as pushed by Hollywood.
Southern States were heavily taxed by the Federal Govt and chose to secede.This was their Right under the Constitution.
The Southern States call the Civil War, the War of Northern Aggression , which is a truer description.
 

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Revisionism gone out of hand. Abrahan Lincoln was one of the greatest men to have ever lived.

Those treacherous swines down south didn't get half enough.
 

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The narrative put forth by historians and mainstream cultural pundits regarding the American Civil War is simplistic in it's presentation, often reading like a Grimms Brothers tale - once upon a time, there were evil white slave drivers in the Southern United States who had held the noble black man in chains, exploiting and brutalising him. One eventful day along came a man by the name of Abraham Lincoln to free these wretched souls from their sorrow and misery, faithfully leading a government which was to defeat the white Southern menace, freeing the slaves in the process with America living happily ever after forever more.

I'm sure you are familiar with the 2012 movie Lincoln, directed by Stephen Spielberg for one. In this movie, the black characters are portrayed as noble and gallant, while a decent majority of the white characters present are portrayed as being foolish, racist white male congressmen who simply wish for nothing more than to halt the advance of the glorious, yet downbeaten Coloured people from ever reaching his true and full potential in life were only he to be released from his shackles. As can be predictably expected, the 2012 movie tows the decades old line regarding the American Civil War, aka, that the wonderful and saintly Lincoln did anything and everything he could within his power to free the noble black man from the life of servitude imposed upon him by ignorant and racist whites. Such media representations can not only be written off as fanciful ahistorical theatre regarding their portrayal of the Southern Cause on one hand, they also portray an Abraham Lincoln as something he never actually was to begin with. Lincoln, who had never seemed alarmed by the issue of the continuation of slavery within the South while canvassing during the run up to the 1860 election and beforehand, had in fact also on numerous occasions made suggestions in public and during personal conversations that were black slaves in fact to be freed within the US then they should be expected to return to Africa, the land of their ancestors thereafter, most notably outposts such as Liberia on the western coast of the continent. The official court historian view that the American Civil War had been fought for a glorious and righteous cause - against a sinister white Southerner populace, continues to be promulgated within media circles and through film in particular. Dig deeper into the background of these historical events and you'll find an infinitely more muddled picture.

With all other things taken into consideration, what should obviously be noted is that the younger Abraham Lincoln, a lawyer who had moved up in the world by representing the interests of large railroad interests across the US Midwest would at a later point covertly go on to represent Northern Industrial interests which favoured Hamiltonian style tariffs on all domestic imports as future President of the United States. What's also interestingly noteworthy is the fact that the trade policies adopted and promoted by the Southern states internally during the mid-19th century favoured open and free trade policies with Europe, in particular for commodities such as cotton and tobacco, both vital to them as a society with the former much in demand by mills and industries throughout Britain and France in particular. Understandably, such an arrangement conflicted heavily with Northern industrial interests who favoured a system of domestic tarrifs in order to support domestic industry, particularly when advantageous to themselves and their vested interests - such individuals also stood to lose from the Southern approach to trade policy with it's emphasis on lax restrictions. There are indeed alternative arguments which when brought forth can understandably make the events seem more plausible and less cartoonish within a wider context of unfolding events. In setting a precedent, South Carolina had decided it had had enough of what it felt to be Lincoln's government interference and undue meddling within it's own internal state affairs by Northern Yankee vested interests with a Federalist style desire for a powerful central government supported by tariffs, an arrangement which at that point had not come of age given the early victory of Jeffersonian idealism within the young nation. South Carolina's withdrawal from the Union was soon to be followed by other Southern states feeling similiar grievances, thus going forth together to eventually establish the Confederacy and a govenment with it's own set of political and economic principles.

While slavery was and always will be a wretched institution, history may not always be what it is made out to be, moreso as it will inevitably be the victor and his supporters writing the text books for future generations of students. To this day, it has certainly cast a long shadow over American culture with Southern whites continually portrayed more often than not in the least favourable manner as foolish bigots undeserving of their own culture and traditions by association, while the myth of Abraham Lincoln, more saint than mere mortal remains as culturally prevalent as it ever has.

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Lincoln was a consummate politician. His policy was not so much as free the slaves as keeping the States together. As can be seen by reading between the lines of Ken Burns excellent documentary The Civil War.
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After watching this on BBC 2 in the early 1990 I delved a bit more into Lincoln. One of the most peculiarities was the strange coincidences between Lincoln and Kennedy.
 

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Lincoln's consummate skill was to keep the Tax money flowing from the wealthy Southern Agricultural economy to the mainly Industrial Northern tariff ridden States.
Lincoln got killed because he learned he could print his own Greenback currency to finance the war ,rather than borrow from the bankers ,who demanded 30% interest on their loans. Dangerous knowledge still not learned in Ireland.
 
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Revisionism gone out of hand. Abrahan Lincoln was one of the greatest men to have ever lived.

Those treacherous swines down south didn't get half enough.
Care to elaborate?
 
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I do agree with your OP in one aspect Sir. In that film the Negr0s came across as ungrateful fu*kers despite the Union's spilling of so much blood to free them.
 

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We know he meant Africans to go back to Africa and Liberia (founded by America for returning Africans) is one of the biggest shitholes that
ever existed on Earth, America's crime rate in relation to "African Americans" according to Wiki is ?



Them's the facts, them fooking facts get in the way of all the retard-libtard lying propaganda every time,,,
 
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We know he meant Africans to go back to Africa and Liberia (founded by America for returning Africans) is one of the biggest shitholes that
ever existed on Earth, America's crime rate in relation to "African Americans" according to Wiki is ?



Them's the facts, them fooking facts get in the way of all the retard-libtard lying propaganda every time,,,
There are sources and studies from all over the net suggesting White American crime rates are little removed from European countries, Australia etc.

Statistics aren't always politically correct unfortunately.
 
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There are sources and studies from all over the net suggesting White American crime rates are little removed from European countries, Australia etc.

Statistics aren't always politically correct unfortunately.
And to counter the canard of 'Black Disenfranchisement', Appalachian Whites, who have comparable incomes to Blacks (and receive none of the leg-ups), are nowhere near as violent.
 
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