The Marxist View of Patriotism and Nationalism

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I really do wonder why Lenin did not adopt a Traditionalist aesthetic together with the Futurist one that he did, like d'Annunzio. He sent the gentleman caviar, after all.

Good question a chara. Ironically, I think Lenin was too interested in bourgeois science to be willing to entertain esoteric science.
 

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Good question a chara. Ironically, I think Lenin was too interested in bourgeois science to be willing to entertain esoteric science.
When Mao re-organised Chinese culture to be in accordance with a peasant vision, did he place emphasis on traditional Chinese culture, as long as it was "peasant-like"?
 

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When Mao re-organised Chinese culture to be in accordance with a peasant vision, did he place emphasis on traditional Chinese culture, as long as it was "peasant-like"?

He did, but I'd say he was also a bit overly influenced by a European bourgeois aesthetic.
 

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There is just one thing that bothers me; Why did Sorel jump ship & become a Fascist?

I wouldn't say he did. He's still an old school French Communist.
 

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Was there not some overlap between Fascism & Syndicalism, though?

Well, Mussolini was first a Marxist Syndicalist and then a Fascist. There's a very big overlap, I'd say. Both are predicated on a communal interpretation of the world, whereas Liberalism explains the world on the basis of atomized individuals.
 

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Well, Mussolini was first a Marxist Syndicalist and then a Fascist. There's a very big overlap, I'd say. Both are predicated on a communal interpretation of the world, whereas Liberalism explains the world on the basis of atomized individuals.
Could you almost say Italian Fascism was an amalgamation of Capitalism, Syndicalism & d'Annunzian "Politica di Bellezza"?
 

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Could you almost say Italian Fascism was an amalgamation of Capitalism, Syndicalism & d'Annunzian "Politica di Bellezza"?

Yes, it was a sort of Third Way. Something between Capitalism and Socialism. D'Annunzio hated Capitalism as well - as would anyone with a noble disposition.
 

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Yes, it was a sort of Third Way. Something between Capitalism and Socialism. D'Annunzio hated Capitalism as well - as would anyone with a noble disposition.
He said something about Nationalism & Syndicalism being the only aristocratic forces in Europe at the time. Strange guy.
 

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How would you explain the influence of Bonaparte on d'Annunzio? Nationalism?
I wouldn't be able to give you a very considered answer to that question a chara, only that Fascism does tend to center of the Great Man rather too much. Marx addresses this question in this text, where he says:

But unheroic though bourgeois society is, it nevertheless needed heroism, sacrifice, terror, civil war, and national wars to bring it into being. And in the austere classical traditions of the Roman Republic the bourgeois gladiators found the ideals and the artforms, the self-deceptions, that they needed to conceal from themselves the bourgeois-limited content of their struggles and to keep their passion on the high plane of great historic tragedy.

 
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