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The Labour Party: Staring Into The Abyss?

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Antóin S MacComhain

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If the latest polls are anything to go by, it looks as if the Labour Party are staring into the abyss, and there's not much staring back:

Here’s how each party and group fares:
  • Fine Gael 27% (+1)
  • Fianna Fáil 25% (+1)
  • Sinn Féin 15% (+1)
  • Labour 4% (-3)
  • Independents and others 29% (-1)
  • Independents 9% (-4)
  • Social Democrats 5% (+2)
  • Independent Alliance 5% (+1)
  • The Anti-Austerity Alliance/People before Profit 4% (no change)
  • Green Party 3% (no change)
  • Renua Ireland 2% (no change)
http://www.thejournal.ie/opinion-poll-fine-gael-fianna-fail-2656530-Mar2016/

Early trends suggest that the Social Democrats will be the lucky vultures. The drop in support for Independents has split between the biggest party on the island of Ireland, and the two smaller nationalist party's.
 

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So many Labour TD`s were lucky enough to save their seats, some undeservedly so.

However they did survive and Labour have just enough seats to have speaking rights, and this will help rescue them and give them a chance to repair themselves over the next 5 years. Naturally they will also be looking at heading back into government with FG to make up the numbers, this could wipe them out completely come the next General election.
 

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It all depends on what Labour does next, Joan has to go but they are not exactly bursting with lovable talent to replace her. I for one would never give Labour my vote in the future, they showed they are chancers who had no problems selling out their electorate. For that everyone of them should have been voted out.
 

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The SD's are just Labour Nua, a band of rebranded tosspots with identical policies to Labour, apart from FREE WATER FOR EVERYONE!!
 

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After RedC's woeful performance with election polls, it would be very hard to put any trust in that poll.

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After RedC's woeful performance with election polls, it would be very hard to put any trust in that poll.

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True, but it would be hard to imagine Labour could ever return to the heights of popularity they had before the 2011 election.
 

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Well my "Potato Poll" which is beyond error and involves alot of frenetic nose twitching as well as sticking ones finger in the air to gain precise readings on the political temperature in this country suggests FG will slump a little more, FF will gain a bit and little change for anyone else. As for the Labour party, like the Greens and like weeds, they are impossible to kill off outright.
 

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True, but it would be hard to imagine Labour could ever return to the heights of popularity they had before the 2011 election.
The 2011 GE was abnormal and the Stickies gobsh!te Gilmore destroyed Labour for a pension for himself and his cronies. Labour should have stayed out of government and it would have been challenging FG for government in the 2016 GE. At the moment, it looks like Labour is in existential trouble (even moreso than previously). Burton wants to hang on as leader for as long as possible and she does not understand that she is part of the problem rather than the solution. The local party infrastructure that made Labour a major party is gone. It lost a large number of council seats in the Local Elections and that damaged it below the water line. Now Labour can't get the same number of no-hopers and neverweres into the Seanad. The influx of dim, roight-on gobsh!tes with their D4 focus on topics that are largely irrelevant to what used to be Labour's core demographics have destroyed the party by trying to make it into a right of centre, roight-on party. The centre of Irish politics is highly contested by FF/FG and Labour really didn't stand a chance. The local Labour candidate here didn't even get her expenses and this constituency would have had a strong Labour presence for decades. But the sense that Labour betrayed the constituency was palpable. In Ireland, people can forgive their enemies but betrayal is something that is remembered for generations.
 
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Well my "Potato Poll" which is beyond error and involves alot of frenetic nose twitching as well as sticking ones finger in the air to gain precise readings on the political temperature in this country suggests FG will slump a little more, FF will gain a bit and little change for anyone else. As for the Labour party, like the Greens and like weeds, they are impossible to kill off outright.
The most dangerous thing for a political party is to be seen as irrelevant. The Green Party has a kind of secular religion at their its core along with true believers in Global Warming etc. Its two seats are far more important and it could be a player in the formation of the next government. Labour doesn't have that kind of support. Without the Seanad, having an aging parliamentary party, having falling support levels in younger demographics and having a lower number of council seats than previously, Labour could be gone as a party within ten years.
 

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The most dangerous thing for a political party is to be seen as irrelevant. The Green Party has a kind of secular religion at their its core along with true believers in Global Warming etc. Its two seats are far more important and it could be a player in the formation of the next government. Labour doesn't have that kind of support. Without the Seanad, having an aging parliamentary party, having falling support levels in younger demographics and having a lower number of council seats than previously, Labour could be gone as a party within ten years.
Yes, Labour are tucked away on another planet. That otherworld is Planet NGO and that's a planet far removed from normal people's concerns. There's no where left for them to go.

The Greens have the renewable energy thing in their corner. That's the way of the future. Business likes all that and it'll give them some sustainable momentum.
 
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The SD's are just Labour Nua, a band of rebranded tosspots with identical policies to Labour, apart from FREE WATER FOR EVERYONE!!
Mental Health:

Labour in Government has provided approximately 1,150 mental health posts and expanded the Counselling in Primary Care service to reach over 13,500 people per year.
Our plan for the next five years:
  • Extend the free Counselling in Primary Care service to all 16-25 year olds, the most likely group to require urgent mental health intervention
  • Introduce additional training for GPs in mental health issues
  • Establish a permanent mental health awareness and advertising programme
  • Bring in a registration and licensing system for mental health professionals
  • Extend the opening hours of Community Mental Health Centres into the late evening and through the weekend
  • Develop a new service to address dual diagnosis (addiction and mental health).
What will the Social Democrats Health policies look like? A pill for every ill, eh?

https://www.labour.ie/manifesto/homes-for-the-most-vulnerable/

The Labour Housing spokesman doesn't seem to get the irony, of the boarded up flats in the background. It's a deliberate Government policy to drive the natives out of the city centre. One of the cute hoors flying an Independent rainbow flag, probably has his beady eye on the contract, for the Apartments which will replace them.
 

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The 2011 GE was abnormal and the Stickies gobsh!te Gilmore destroyed Labour for a pension for himself and his cronies. Labour should have stayed out of government and it would have been challenging FG for government in the 2016 GE. At the moment, it looks like Labour is in existential trouble (even moreso than previously). Burton wants to hang on as leader for as long as possible and she does not understand that she is part of the problem rather than the solution. The local party infrastructure that made Labour a major party is gone. It lost a large number of council seats in the Local Elections and that damaged it below the water line. Now Labour can't get the same number of no-hopers and neverweres into the Seanad. The influx of dim, roight-on gobsh!tes with their D4 focus on topics that are largely irrelevant to what used to be Labour's core demographics have destroyed the party by trying to make it into a right of centre, roight-on party. The centre of Irish politics is highly contested by FF/FG and Labour really didn't stand a chance. The local Labour candidate here didn't even get her expenses and this constituency would have had a strong Labour presence for decades. But the sense that Labour betrayed the constituency was palpable. In Ireland, people can forgive their enemies but betrayal is something that is remembered for generations.
Before anyone gets carried away here and starts suggesting Labour will go the way of the PD's (which BTW would be no bad thing) let's just remind ourselves that the same comments were made about FF being on the brink of death, which obviously never happened. There will always be a constituency for left wing West Brit nutters of the sort Labour represents so they're going nowhere. Although the SD's (another Democratic Left band of self hating paddies) could pose a challenge for Labour and nab some of their natural supporters. In time the SD's and Labour will merge back together again, they could call themselves Social Democratic and Labour Party, like their northern counterparts.
 
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