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The Zionist statelet is the base from which all other imperialist operations are launched against Muslim nations. Indeed, it is highly unlikely there would ever have been any conflict between the USA and Iraq at all - if it wasn't for continual Zionist lobbying for a war against Iraq. In fact, the Bushes et al were very fond of Saddam Hussein and liked doing business with him.
It couldn't have happened without the Israel lobby. They (and Israel) were the only group pushing for the destruction of Iraq. Without them it would never have happened. This is a fact.

 

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This Islamic movement (called Salafiyya), which believes that the practice of Islam has become corrupted and must be reformed to reflect the seventh-century form of Islam, has been around the middle east for a very long time, and certainly well before Zionism.
But it was a tiny minority - mostly the Muslim Brotherhood under MI6 control. It was the Holocaust of the Palestinians in 1947 that really gave radical Islamists their first chance to reach the general Muslim population.
 

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But it was a tiny minority - mostly the Muslim Brotherhood under MI6 control. It was the Holocaust of the Palestinians in 1947 that really gave radical Islamists their first chance to reach the general Muslim population.
You think you serve any semblance of truth with your slogans like "Holocaust of the Palestinians".

Where does one start? But this meme has enough traction in Ireland that even one of Israel's foremost experts on 1948 felt compelled to write to the Irish Times letter page about it - Israel and the Palestinians

Or read the books of Efraim Karsh, who is today acknowledged as probably the foremost authority on 1948, and who challenged Morris' work back in the early millennium so that he eventually corrected it.

Then, once you have the facts straight, you might try to understand how its misrepresentation was wielded as a political weapon by the Arabs, who used the unfortunate Palestinian refugees as pawns. - You can get a very good insight into that from this 1961 Atlantic article, when the event was still only 13 years old. The Arabs of Palestine

Worth reading. An antidote to your politically charged slogans that bear scant resemblance to any meaningful truth. (And of course I'm not blithe to the real underlying intention of your slogan being to try and unseat the Jewish victims of the Holocaust, and hoist onto the pedestal in their place their "competitors". Who of course also suffer through this pathetic endeavour of dupes like you.)

Anyway the point is that there is small likelihood while you chant slogans and conspiracy theories like this, that we ever get to the nub of the matter of the present day re invigoration of radical Islam.
 
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FORCED DISPLACEMENT

NAKBA:
DISPLACEMENT & DISPOSSESSION OF AN ENTIRE NATION
FOCUS ON PALESTINIAN CHRISTIANS
The Nakba, or catastrophe, is a story of the displacement and dispossession of an entire nation.

Marked by Palestinians throughout the world every May 15, the Nakba represents a historic
injustice, where approximately 800,000 Palestinians, or 67% of the Palestinian people by 1948, became refugees and approximately 418 Palestinian villages were depopulated and/or destroyed.
The process of displacement of Palestinian population, which began with the Nakba, has
continued to this day. This year, the Nakba commemoration comes at the same time that Palestine awaits the visit of H.H. Pope Francis.

As H.H. arrives in Palestine, thousands of Palestinian Christians will be marking the
beginning of their exile. Palestinian Christians, around 12% of the population of Palestine by 1948, were devastated by the Nakba, as entire communities were expelled from their historic homeland.
To this day, Israel has yet to recognize its responsibility for the role it played in the creations and

The idea of displacing the Palestinian population began to take shape in Zionist thinking during the 1920s. The main plan that led to the creation of the Palestinian refugee issue was Plan D (Dalet), drafted after the United Nations voted for the partition of Palestine in November 29, 1947, by the Haganah, a Zionist militia established prior to the creation of the State of Israel.

The Dalet Plan stated:
“Operations against enemy population centres located inside or near our defensive
system will be taken and will be carried out in order to prevent them from being used as
bases by an active armed force. These operations can be carried out in the following
manner: either by destroying villages (by setting fire to them, by blowing them up, and
by planting mines in the debris) or, in the case especially of those population centres
which are difficult to control, operations should be carried out according to the
following guidelines: siege of the villages, conducting a search inside. In case of
resistance, the armed force must be wiped out and the population expelled outside the
borders of the state.”


The Dalet Plan consisted on 13 military operations. The main goals of these operations was to cleanse the road between Jerusalem and Jaffa, and take over the coast and the northern borders of Palestine with Lebanon and Syria (upper Galilee)

As part of the operations, several massacres were committed, including the massacre of DeirYassin (outside Jerusalem), were 254 Palestinians, mainly women, elderly and children were slaughtered by Zionist gangs. Like other refugees of armed conflicts, many Palestinians fled out of fear for their safety.

Deir Yassin was particularly determinant in the Zionist-takeover of what is now known as West Jerusalem, including the Palestinian villages of Ein Karem, Lifta and Malha, as well as the neighborhoods of Talbiya, Katamon and the Baqaa.


Military attacks on Palestinian villages and neighbourhoods intensified during the first months of 1948. When the State of Israel was declared, on May 15.1948, major Palestinian cities such as Haifa, Jaffa and Safad, as well as most of Jerusalem, had been already taken by Zionist militias.

British troops did not protect the Palestinian population. In fact, they confiscated Palestinian's weapons, leaving the population defenceless against the attacks.

Around 800,000 Palestinians became refugees.

Over 400 Palestinian villages were destroyed.

At least 15,000Palestinians were killed.

Over 100,000 Palestinian books were stolen by Israel.

NAKBA AND THE PALESTINIAN CHRISTIANS

Palestinian Christians are an integral part of the Palestinian people. From education to sports, economy, art, and politics, Palestinian Christians played, and continue to play, a very important role all over Palestine.

ZIONIST TERRORISM
The implementation of the Dalet Plan began in the first months of 1948. One of the prime targets was Jerusalem, and particularly the Palestinian areas of Talbiya and Katamon. One of the most brutal acts committed by Zionist gangs in their attempt to take over those residential areas was to blow up the Seminaris Hotel, owned by a Palestinian Christian family, on the eve of Orthodox Christmas. The attack killed 35 Palestinian Christians as well as Manuel Allende Salazar, the Spanish Consul who was the guest of honor of this Palestinian Christian family. Thousands of Palestinian Christians from those neighborhoods left their homes after the attacks.


ATTACKS AGAINST CHURCHES & CHRISTIAN INSTITUTIONS
Christians. Fr. Ibrahim Ayyad became one of the most enthusiastic leaders of Palestinian
movement. By 1948, Palestinian Christians played a prominent role in Palestinian efforts to realize their right to self-determination.
Several Christian institutions were occupied and attacked by Israeli forces, including:

The Notre Dame Monastery in Jerusalem, from which the Old City was shelled

The French Hospital run by the Sisters of St Joseph, which was occupied by Israeli forces
on May 15, 1948, replacing the Red Cross flag with the flag of the State of Israel.

The institutions and churches located at Mount Sion, which were occupied on May 18, 1948.

The Armenian Orthodox Patriarchate, which was hit by about 100 mortar bombs, killing 8
Palestinian Armenian refugees.

The Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem, which received mortar shells causing extensive damage to the Cathedral.

DALET PLAN IN THE CITIES

Palestinian Christians were mainly located in areas that the Zionist movement envisioned to be part of Israel according to the Dalet Plan. This included Haifa, where after weeks of siege, and with no intervention by the British forces stationed in the area, Zionist militias entered on April 23

Of more than 62,000 Palestinian inhabitants (including 27,000 Christians), less than 5,000 remained in the city, of which less than half were Christians. Jaffa, after resisting days of siege and bombardment by terrorist organizations such as the Irgun, fell on May 14.

From its 66,500 Palestinian inhabitants (including 16,000 Christians), less than 5,000 were able to stay, including less than 2,000 Christians; in Akka, only 3200 Palestinians remained from a total population of 13,000, including 2,500 Christians; in Safad the 11,000 Palestinians were expelled by Zionist gangs, including 3,000 Palestinian Christians; in Lydda 18,000 Palestinians were expelled, including 3,000 Christians that
relocated mainly to Ramallah and Jordan; in Ramleh almost 15,000 Palestinians were expelled, including around 4,000 Christians that relocated mainly in Jordan; in Beisan the 6,000 inhabitants were expelled, including around 1,000 Palestinian Christians.

DALET PLAN IN THE VILLAGES

Several of the 418 destroyed Palestinian villages had Christian congregations, mainly in the Galilee.
Some examples are Al Birwa, Suhmata, Iqrith, Kufr Bir’im, Ma’loul, Saffuriya, Sirin, Al Na’ima, Al Tibigha, Al Bassa and Al-Mansoura. Extensive damage and displacement of Christian congregations took place in other areas such as Eilaboun and Shafa ‘Amr.


DISAPPEARANCE OF ENTIRE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITIES
19 churches were destroyed by Israel during the Nakba of 1948. Other churches and monasteries were able to remain, but were left empty as their congregations were displaced by Israel in 1948.
Prominent examples of cleansed congregations are the Roman Catholic Church in Lydda and Beisan, the Greek Orthodox and Roman Catholic congregations of Ein Karem, the monasteries serving Christians in West Jerusalem, Tiberias and the sanctuary of Our Lady of Palestine in Deir Rafat, among others. Some of the congregations most affected by the displacement of Palestinians were the Greek Catholic (Melkite), Greek Orthodox, Maronite and Roman Catholic rites. In and around Jerusalem,
the Armenian community suffered severe losses in the area of Talpiyot.

WHERE DID PALESTINIAN CHRISTIANS GO? MAPPING THE DISPLACEMENT

"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist, not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushu'a in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not one single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."
(Former Israeli Minister Moshe Dayan, 1969)


“My dentist brother's three story building was blown up in Haifa and he and his wife had to
escape in a fishing boat to Lebanon. He only had 5.00 Palestinian pounds on him. My eldest sister's apartment came under Jewish fire in- the Qatamon- Quarter in Jerusalem and she escaped with her husband to Jordan.

My sister in the Musrara Quarter, Jerusalem escaped with her husband and two daughters to Amman, Jordan with only their clothes on. Worst of all my aged mother who was staying with my brother's family in Ramleh was stranded alone because my brother could not return to pick her up. He asked some neighbors to take care of her and it took a year before he was able to get her out through
the Red Cross.

By that time she had completely lost her mind and he had to place her in a
women's shelter in Bethlehem, where she died, shortly after that.”
(Shukri Salameh, Palestinian Christian living in Jaffa in 1948, he and his 7-months
pregnant wife had to leave for Jordan, Egypt and later the US)"

The Nakba is an ongoing story of displacement, dispossession and exile. Israel must recognize its responsibility for the creation and the perpetuation of the refugee issue. The Nakba continues to be a reality for the Palestinian people, and its denial by Israel will not make its effects disappear:
Only a just peace based on international law can heal the wounds opened for 66 years.
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And on cue, idiot Flynn copies and pastes a ridiculous, obscure political screed that poster Kalipa received from one of her Palestinian "Christian" half-wit associates, who are also making war on Israel.

(Of course these tiny "Christian" sects that make war on Israel, the ones behind the so called 'Kairos-Palestine Document' and other efforts - have been lambasted by a wide range of other religious organisations, including Christians, on their "extremist", "polarising", "divisive", "morally inconsistent" and "theologically suspect" endeavours. Rightly so, the hateful scumbags. Remember most Arab Christians are strongly pro-Israel. e.g. Arabs For Israel)
 

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And on cue, idiot Flynn copies and pastes a ridiculous, obscure political screed that poster Kalipa received from one of her Palestinian "Christian" half-wit associates, who are also making war on Israel.

(Of course these tiny "Christian" sects that make war on Israel, the ones behind the so called 'Kairos-Palestine Document' and other efforts - have been lambasted by a wide range of other religious organisations, including Christians, on their "extremist", "polarising", "divisive", "morally inconsistent" and "theologically suspect" endeavours. Rightly so, the hateful scumbags. Remember most Arab Christians are strongly pro-Israel. e.g. Arabs For Israel)

This is a truly disgraceful post, full of personal abuse and lies.

Why do you call Palestinian Christians who are living under the belligerent occupation of Israel ,"half wits"?
They are entitled to speak out for themselves and to educate people to their plight in the West Bank and Gaza regardless of whether you are indoctrinated with Israeli PR or not.

Kairos is a reputable Christian organisation despite the lies that Israel and her minions are trying to spread about them. The document was a cry for help to Christians around the world .
It is disgusting to call these people "scumbags" for trying to get the truth of the Occupation out to the world.

Most Palestinian (you insist on calling them Arab to deny them an identity), Christians are in no way "strongly pro Israel". They are suffering as much as their Palestinian Muslim neighbours from discrimination, violence at the hands of the savages that are called settlers and the IDF and theft of their lands and properties.
 

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A third of all Jews were murdered in the Holocaust.

That's what you call a 'nakba', maxflinn.....
How do you know that for sure when even historians cannot agree on the numbers ?

Why are you trying to make a competition out of the deaths of Jews and all the other groups who died in the holocaust and the deaths and displacement of hundreds and thousands of Palestinians ?

Do you actually begrudge those people the right to mourn their dead and the loss of everything they possessed ?
 

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And on cue, idiot Flynn copies and pastes a ridiculous, obscure political screed that poster Kalipa received from one of her Palestinian "Christian" half-wit associates, who are also making war on Israel.

(Of course these tiny "Christian" sects that make war on Israel, the ones behind the so called 'Kairos-Palestine Document' and other efforts - have been lambasted by a wide range of other religious organisations, including Christians, on their "extremist", "polarising", "divisive", "morally inconsistent" and "theologically suspect" endeavours. Rightly so, the hateful scumbags. Remember most Arab Christians are strongly pro-Israel. e.g. Arabs For Israel)
Can you make your point without abusing other posters?
 

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Can you make your point without abusing other posters?
Are you familiar with the Kairos-Palestine document?

It pushes a hateful political agenda in sanctimonious theological garb.

What do you say to people like that? Who cloak their hatred and baseness under a pretence of godliness?

Never mind re-writing history and placing all blame for the awful circumstances of Palestinian Arabs on Israel, and none on the actions of radicals who blow up innocent Israelis in restaurants and launch rockets at school buses etc - I would have a lot more respect for someone like Taigh who expresses his sentiments plainly - conversely, hypocritical dissemblers like the above, and their apologists, deserve not the faintest ounce of respect or politeness.

Would you not agree.
 

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Can you make your point without abusing other posters?
Are you familiar with the Kairos-Palestine document?

It pushes a hateful political agenda in sanctimonious theological garb.

What do you say to people like that? Who cloak their hatred and baseness under a pretence of godliness?

Never mind re-writing history and placing all blame for the awful circumstances of Palestinian Arabs on Israel, and none on the actions of radicals who blow up innocent Israelis in restaurants and launch rockets at school buses etc - I would have a lot more respect for someone like Taigh who expresses his sentiments plainly - conversely, hypocritical dissemblers like the above, and their apologists, deserve not the faintest ounce of respect or politeness.

Would you not agree.