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The "Irexit Freedom Party" - a UKIP-inspired party to launch in September

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Justin Barrett should be a part of a United Nationalist party, if not leading it.

Also what happened to your giant bold text?

Justin is a very good man and very genuine, but he's not able to control his personal feelings. He goes off on all sorts of tangents that do the party harm and do it no good at all.
 
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Yes, that's fine. I'm only asking that people consider this party. I think we both know that the NP will never be mainstream enough to really change anything. It also tends to alienate people who would naturally be sympathetic to it - such as Republicans and Socialists.
Were the soldiers of 1916 mainstream?

That's a bizarre comment. The NP are ostensibly more pro-republican than many others. I'm not sure what you mean exactly here so I won't assume, but I'd like you to elaborate.
 
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Justin is a very good man and very genuine, but he's not able to control his personal feelings. He goes off on all sorts of tangents that do the party harm and do it no good at all.
Well he's one of the few nationalist leaders in Ireland today who actually seems to remotely understand politics. We've had too many "I want to copy so and so" leaders.

When I mentioned a United Nationalist leader the only remote possiblity I could conceive of now (with all the current players) is John Waters or someone of his ilk. But I think he's a bit too mad. Other than that a current or ex military officer who is secretly on a Nationalist wavelength would be good, but I know of none. Justin Barrett then is another candidate for the position.
 

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Were the soldiers of 1916 mainstream?

That's a bizarre comment. The NP are ostensibly more pro-republican than many others. I'm not sure what you mean exactly here so I won't assume, but I'd like you to elaborate.

The 1916 Rising actually started out as a Rising of the Irish Volunteers, which was extremely mainstream. Without that mainstream movement, Easter 1916 could never have happened. Again, I agree that the NP is important, but it will always be a fringe group, easy for the enemy to ignore.
 

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Justin Barrett should be a part of a United Nationalist party, if not leading it.
Well he'd have to be drafted into a new Entity away from his curent Non-entity & that drafting can only ever be a dream of yours as the new Entity would be installing a proven failure who couldn't get the NP to lift off lol! :D
 

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Well he's one of the few nationalist leaders in Ireland today who actually seems to remotely understand politics. We've had too many "I want to copy so and so" leaders.

When I mentioned a United Nationalist leader the only remote possiblity I could conceive of now (with all the current players) is John Waters or someone of his ilk. But I think he's a bit too mad. Other than that a current or ex military officer who is secretly on a Nationalist wavelength would be good, but I know of none. Justin Barrett then is another candidate for the position.

As I say, Barrett is a very good man and a genuine Irish Patriot. But, I think he let's his own feeling get in the way too much. He's already made sure that the Republican base won't touch him. And really that is the back bone of any political movement in Ireland.
 
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The 1916 Rising actually started out as a Rising of the Irish Volunteers, which was extremely mainstream. Without that mainstream movement, Easter 1916 could never have happened. Again, I agree that the NP is important, but it will always be a fringe group, easy for the enemy to ignore.
I think you're wrong about them being damned to the eternal fringes. It's that attitude that does the enemy's bidding. I hope nationalists with your mindset are a minority. I predict you have enough cop on and that Ireland has enough luck that eventually you'll realise your fault and will 'descend the high mountain' in order to take another way up (as Lenin put it). But there'll be some other nationalists who'll always scoff and let personal trivialities and pride block them, they'll be sitting round like Jews waiting for the Messiah.

If you're intent on the path you've taken, fine. So be it. But don't be like the latter eejits I've described, like some who frequent this forum. Hedge your bets if you have to, but don't put your eggs in one basket. Or you'll be left out in the cold and your obvious talents squandered.
 
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Listening to Hermann Kelly on Niall Boylan. Kelly says he's in favour of a multi-ethnic Ireland. Way to instantly surrender to the liberal order...
 
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Hermann the German spelled out pretty clearly what his position is. He's a civic nationalist. In favour of a multi-ethnic Irish. This attitude of "sure teach the foreigners a cupla focail and they're as Irish as the rest of us" is a falsehood against the nation.

My God. I had a modicum of hope for them before. But it's clearly aping the Civic Nationalist basic bitch free trade programme of foreign parties. There may be overlap with traditional Irish nationalism, but this is not Irish nationalism. This is crypto-Brit paddy-whackery.
 
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