The Green Wave: Washing away all common sense?

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Liberal bias in science

Posting this here, first 20 minutes is all needed but good video overall.
The push for carbon taxes is a politically motivated not scientifically motivated and we are seeing this heavily come to the fore now in even our own politics.
The politicising of findings to push certain agendas. Obviously we contribute to changes in climate just like termites do

so yes there is AGW, if we eat lots of beef, we are producing lots of cows and so methane as example


but of course india is the worst culprit here even though they dont eat beef they have a third of the worlds cows
but there are many factors that contribute to changes in the climate cycle, one which has always changed and would always change no matter if we were on this planet or not, the primary one being the sun above all else.

But the scientists have strayed so far from the data, eg the hockey stick graph which was completely fake due to an algorithm that generated a pre cooked result based on selectively amplifying certain trends that went in the direction they wanted it to go, revealed on different occasions like with the climate gate emails.

As in people changing the data to get the policy change they want for whatever liberal political reasons they are promoting. And if you think that the earth would not be in a warming period that it is now, even if we were all long dead at this point, you are not at the races.

The same issues abound in the social sciences

Where his fake science was promoted as it was exactly what certain people wanted to hear to promote regulations or ideas that aligned with their political and ideological views.

Such junk science like above is being funded in the end by the tax payer, its all about the money flowing in the end.
This does not mean that co2 hasnt effects, it does, it is plant food, ye want lots of trees , lots of co2 is good for that.

We may be fucking up the place, we are at least regards pollution, but its irrelevant if you think the clowns that are running things are using such thoughts for the benefit of anyone other then themselves. If you cannot disconnect actions from what is happening, as in you buy into the religion of climate change that is being pushed now, you have acclimatised yourself to the clown world we are in today.

If you care about nature then there lots of parts to target Where have all the swallows gone?
So why arent we invading egypt ? :)

Lets assume that co2 is the issue. China is the biggest polluter across the board and has the highest co2 output of any country by double at the very least, so why havent we glassed the place, its not going to stop and is laughing at us, though it is doing what i have said you should do and that is build on from the technology that we have, rather then add on technology that is obviously not going o work in the end as it still depends on the old technology to be around, and so is just adding to the complexity of the system.

Anything this country does regards what they tell us to is not only going to be an extra tax on us, its not going to do anything in the end as all its about is pushing the industrial jobs onto poorer countries and taxes and higher bills on the plebs, the clowns in this country think they can change the world, fuck is wrong with us, we are irrelevant outside being used as a caymon islands of europe or for the deportation of our own and importation of their replacements. We were one of two that declared a climate change disaster is happening, we are a laughing stock, no different to leprechaun economics.

Consensus means little in science when science is influenced heavily by the social order and where your money comes from.
"In the sciences, the authority of thousands of opinions is not worth as much as one tiny spark of reason in an individual man." Galileo Galilei

The old science that brought us to where we are now was heavily influenced by the idea that whatever came out of it was irrelevant of someones feelings or political influences, it was an eureka moment or something that god wanted us to see or the want to find out something outside personal benefit as a reasoning.

Now its money makes the world go round.
A worthy addition to the canon: The Real War on Science
 

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Macron is pushing the greenwash for all he's worth for electoral purposes
but can't be arsed to actually pay his share to actually do something about it.
That's shows how little he is really bothered about dealing with climate change in practice.


 

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The Greens walk in on an agenda of caring for the planet.
But when they get in their agenda will be population control.
Nah. Their friends in the big corporations want less wages, more consumers and more profit.
The more people the better as far as they are concerned. They don't have to breathe the air or drink the dirty water
and they don't care if all the food is full of pesticides and GMOs. In fact they are the ones doing all that stuff.

With a projected 10 billion people on the planet by 2050, however, we WILL need to grasp that nettle at some point or perish horribly.
The fact is that overpopulation is at the root of all our "greenhouse emissions", mass species extinction, and pollution problems,

But it's an issue which election oriented politicians won't touch with a barge pole until it's far too late.
However another pointless tax on poor people that does nothing is always welcome!

 

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I recently asked What's Left to Monetize?, and longtime correspondent Mark G. provided the answer: the air we breathe, via carbon taxes and markets for trading carbon credits, i.e. financializing / monetizing Nature to benefit the few at the expense pf the many.



Here's Mark's commentary:


You asked, "What's left to monetize? It appears the answer is 'very little.'"
I respectfully disagree. The Biggest Enchilada of all is left. Air. Specifically carbon dioxide, CO2. We just have to figure how to get the yokels to agree to pay for that which was formerly free. Got it! First we browbeat them into believing its evil and that we have to tax it to save all life on Earth. Then, following in the finest traditions of the degenerate late medieval Catholic Church, we'll commission sellers of "Indulgences" to allow sinning at ever rising prices. a/k/a "Carbon Credit trading". This doesn't require any value added and the profits on "buy zero sell high" are limitless.
This is the specific outline and the very same agencies that so love financialization of all kinds, $2 trillion dollar student debt to sustain obscenely paid college administrators and academics, endless academic credentialism and huge Hipster Cities sitting on container ports and mediating the China Trade, are all promoting this financialization of CO2 as hard as possible.
This is why a nullity like the Paris Climate Accords continues to be pushed even after its proven every way possible that a) the biggest emitters like China and India won't adhere to them and b) even if they did the prescribed regimes will do nothing anyway.
And its why I "don't believe" in it. Or rather, its why I believe its just the next and biggest financial scam.
Thank you, Mark, for answering my naive question: of course Wall Street and the Davos Crowd are salivating over the hundreds of billions of profits to be skimmed from carbon taxes and trading. Not that corporations, financiers or billionaires will pay the carbon taxes; they will be passed on to consumers of everything that emits CO2, i.e. pretty much everything, including us of course.


Never mind that plant life needs CO2, and that planting trees could soak up the carbon at a fraction of the cost of neoliberal carbon taxes/credits; the goal of the "environmentalists" flying in on their private jets isn't to actually reduce CO2--it's to engineer a new source of rentier profits via monetizing / financializing CO2.


Planting a trillion trees could be the "most effective solution" to climate change, study says.


Here's the neoliberal fantasy that's being sold and sold hard: making a market for carbon credits etc. will magically cause those paying more for emitting carbon to emit less.


This is the Neoliberal Skim/Scam: privatizing what was once free and funneling the profits to the few at the expense of the many. Call it rentier, call it exploitation, call it predatory-- all are accurate.


So streets that once offered free parking now have parking meters that have been privatized to benefit private-sector corporations.


The neoliberal predators have come up with a new sales pitch to cover their predation: "green capitalism," the notion that sending all the Bad Things to the landfill and replacing them with very costly (and oh so profitable to global corporations and financiers) Good Things will magically save a status quo dependent on "Growth" while also magically reducing CO2.


Wrong on all counts.If we measure the full lifecycle costs and environmental burdens of the Good Things (all electric vehicles, etc.), we find that replacing all the existing stuff on the planet will actually increase CO2 immensely--the reduction is trivial while the CO2 emitted in the extraction, processing, manufacture, transport and maintenance of the replacement stuff (i.e. "Growth") will vastly increase CO2, as will all the green capitalists' private jets.


As Mark pointed out, the majority of CO2 is emitted by nations that have no interest in reducing CO2, nor will they pay carbon taxes or play Wall Street's game of trading carbon credits.


So the net result of neoliberal "green capitalism" is higher CO2 and hundreds of billions of dollars of wealth skimmed from those who can least afford it while Al Gore and the rest of the Davos / NGO / philanthro-capitalist elites jet in for another "green" conference.


There is nothing remotely capitalist in the traditional sense in this Neoliberal Predation: no new products or services are created, no value is created, and CO2 isn't reduced; it's pure exploitation of the powerless who have been brow-beaten into believing the skim/scam is somehow "environmental."


Longtime correspondent Simon H. submitted a series of links for those who wish to know more about the hijacking of the environmental movement by predatory "green capitalism":


Climate Capitalists:
The global movement calling for action on climate change has captured the imagination and enthusiasm of thousands of people who care about the future of our world.
However, alarming evidence has emerged, suggesting that this movement is being manipulated by business interests who aim not to save the planet but to save capitalism, not to halt the environmental crisis but to profit from it, not to protect nature but to commodify it.
We don’t want the powerful positive energy of nature lovers and environmentalists to be shunted into the sterile dead end of 'green capitalism', used as a PR tool to make it easier for governments to raid our collective piggy banks and channel trillions of pounds and dollars into the pockets of venture capitalists who have leapt aboard the 'climate justice' bandwagon in the hope of getting very rich.
For this reason we have put together this page of useful links, so people can study the evidence and come to their own conclusions.
For those who prefer facts to hyperbole in service of predatory private wealth, here's a chart of China's energy production: dirty CO2-spewing coal is the primary source.




This mirrors the global reality: renewables are still signal noise, and carbon taxes and trading credits will do nothing to change this.




Plastic pollution tracks CO2 and a variety of related environmental burdens:The primary sources are in Asia and developing nations. So enforcing bogus carbon trading in North America and Europe will do essentially nothing to address the actual sources of CO2 and other industrial / consumer pollutants.




You want to reduce CO2? Then trigger a global depression that reduces global consumption of everything by 50% and destroys 95% of the phantom wealth owned by the global elites trying to monetize the air.
 

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By this measure the shower of complete w*nkers we have in the Dail are laying waste to the planet!!
Will a ban on w*nking off to online porn be part of the new package of vote catching FG green measures now?
and will there be a tax on it?

Can't wait for the dail debate on the topic. And there has to be one. After all it IS a climax climate emergency!! :ROFLMAO:
 

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