The Green Wave: Washing away all common sense?

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We have been immersed in propaganda about Man made or Anthropogenic Climate Change since that asshole Al Gore
conned us all with his famous hockey stick graph and made millions as a result of his stupid film.
This propaganda about AGW/ACC had been especially targetted at children in schools.
Now that generation have come of age and are making their views felt politically.

By now we've all heard the media crowing about the new "green wave" across Europe
We've experienced it here too in the form of the election of Oil share owning hypocrite Ciaran Cuffe and friends
Just this week Prime time had a farcical debate between zealot green party member and Michael Healy Rae


Taxing the poorest in society on basic items with carbon taxes and undermining sustainable agriculture in Ireland, in the belief that somehow these actions will help bring about a change in the earth's climate is complete ideological nonsense.

The EU is of course driving this nonsense agenda by imposing huge fines for greenhouse gas emissions here.

Anyone with two braincells can look at our relatively tiny population and then look at a globe or google earth and realise that we are just a speck on the surface of the planet and anything we do is completely insignificant in bringing about a change in the earth's climate and that all we will succeed in doing is to cripple our own agriculture and our own economy to the market advantage of other European countries. In fact, though the climate itself may be measurably changing, there is still debate whether it is the actions of human beings that are largely driving this process as opposed to just the natural cycles of the sun.

Yet in the recent election, I have no doubt that naive people voted for these charlatans, actually believing green policies might mean that they might experience less freak weather in the future etc if these carbon taxes and other measures were enacted as the greens want.
They won't. And it's just nonsense to think they possibly could.

Now there is clear evidence that mankind is polluting the earth with waste and plastics on a grand scale and this certainly needs to be tackled and I would be fully behind common sense initiatives that reduce actual pollution. But this obsession with man made climate change and the belief that taxing poor people and undermining our fragile economy by green zealots is quite troubling. And sadly this religion of ACC seems to be the new Green wave's major focus, rather than tackling more traditional concrete issues like environmental pollution and widespread pesticide and GMO use in our food systems etc.

For example many greens advocate dubious policies that will push us to buy new electric cars with batteries that cost thousands and need replacing after just a few years
instead of maintaining and keeping older cars on the road as long as we can. Production of these new cars and batteries is not really half as green as they claim when you examine the full cycle from production to destruction. And forcing mass take up of new cars leading to increased manufacturing and mining etc is NOT really a green policy. It is greenwash that just helps flagging auto manufacturers keep their profits up. Many such green party policies fall apart under rigorous scrutiny.

Is there no end to the gullibility of the electorate, the naivete of our brainwashed youth, the hypocrisy of the greens,
and what headaches will this new "green wave" lead to in Ireland?
 

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We have been immersed in propaganda about Man made or Anthropogenic Climate Change since that asshole Al Gore
conned us all with his famous hockey stick graph and made millions as a result of his stupid film.
This propaganda about AGW/ACC had been especially targetted at children in schools.
Now that generation have come of age and are making their views felt politically.
The "Left" says Pollyanna about a lot of things but very often so does the "Right" as well. Anthropogenic climate change is an area where a lot of the "Right" is a state of massive reality denial and I am stunned to see you have joined in them in this. I have been planning to do a proper on this subject however to be honest I have always had an aversion for the servile sciences, to be honest I have always felt that there was something demonic in them but I will leave that for another thread (anyone who given a careful reading to the Book of Genesis and the Book of Enoch will know where I am coming from), but I make an attempt to master and lay out the actual arguments. The fact is that Capitalist short-termism has plenty of "material interest" in denying man made climate change because those most responsible feel that they will not be alive when the problems start seriously hitting and they do not believe in Judgement after death- they also know how to dream up propaganda for these ends, the thing is though that academic corruption does not effect the servile sciences in the West nearly as much as it effects the Humanities and the vast majority of those involved in the areas dealing with this problem in the servile sciences support the concept of man made climate change, and those who do not are usually extremely dodgy.
 

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Yup, when the greens forward proposals for nuclear energy and global depopulation, I’ll pay attention.
 
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The "Left" says Pollyanna about a lot of things but very often so does the "Right" as well. Anthropogenic climate change is an area where a lot of the "Right" is a state of massive reality denial and I am stunned to see you have joined in them in this. I have been planning to do a proper on this subject however to be honest I have always had an aversion for the servile sciences, to be honest I have always felt that there was something demonic in them but I will leave that for another thread (anyone who given a careful reading to the Book of Genesis and the Book of Enoch will know where I am coming from), but I make an attempt to master and lay out the actual arguments. The fact is that Capitalist short-termism has plenty of "material interest" in denying man made climate change because those most responsible feel that they will not be alive when the problems start seriously hitting and they do not believe in Judgement after death- they also know how to dream up propaganda for these ends, the thing is though that academic corruption does not effect the servile sciences in the West nearly as much as it effects the Humanities and the vast majority of those involved in the areas dealing with this problem in the servile sciences support the concept of man made climate change, and those who do not are usually extremely dodgy.
And I'm not surprised to see you swallowing the tenets of yet another religion hook line and sinker
without applying much of your own critical thought to the matter! :p

To call me in denial of reality then to call sciences "demonic" and talk about judgement after death is quite farcical! :rolleyes:
I am a trained scientist. This is what makes me sceptical. The computer models are not reliable and are incomplete.
Predictions frequently deviate significantly from actual measurements.
They completely play down the behaviour of the sun and it's complex interaction with our own magnetic field as a factor.
And the amounts of CO2 involved are tiny in the scheme of things.

The atmosphere is composed of a mix of several different gases in differing amounts. The permanent gases whose percentages do not change from day to day are nitrogen, oxygen and argon. Nitrogen accounts for 78% of the atmosphere, oxygen 21% and argon 0.9%. Gases like carbon dioxide, nitrous oxides, methane, and ozone are trace gases that account for about a tenth of one percent of the atmosphere. Water vaporous is unique in that its concentration varies from 0-4% of the atmosphere depending on where you are and what time of the day it is. In the cold, dry artic regions water vapour usually accounts for less than 1% of the atmosphere, while in humid, tropical regions water vapour can account for almost 4% of the atmosphere. Water vapor content is very important in predicting weather.
The atmosphere of our planet is actually quite huge. Most people would have difficulty in even conceiving how huge it is.

So carbon dioxide which, (combined with a bunch of other gases) only constitute a mere 0.1% of the atmosphere
In fact the dreaded 400ppm = 0.04%. That's the lot. the entire amount left over in the atmosphere after all the CO2 produced by all the volcanoes, burping lakes, forest fires, wars, cars, animals, human actions, plant actions, etc etc on the entire planet is processed by the natural cycles.

And of that 0.04%, exactly how much will Ciaran Cuffes carbon tax on poor people or undermining if sustainable agriculture in Ireland reduce it by? In reality will it even prevent one freak storm occurring? No it won't.

Nor will it in any way reverse the trend in our climate one iota. And to actually believe it might is just fantasy.
Both on the part of green grassroots zealots and of the silly people who voted for these snake oil salesmen thinking it might.
A dangerous fantasy that may cause very palpable changes in our lives over the next decade!!

The climate is changing. It always has been.
In fact the earth was a lot warmer in the age of the dinosaurs.
You certainly can't blame AGW for that. It was simply the result of solar cycles
and their interaction with our planet, it's magnetic field and our upper atmosphere

No tax imposed on paddy or reduction of (sustainable) agriculture in Ireland under EU threats of fines
will have the remotest effect on whether or not we get more freak weather or not here.

So what's the point of voting for green climate change zealots in an Irish local election??
 
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We have been immersed in propaganda about Man made or Anthropogenic Climate Change since that asshole Al Gore
conned us all with his famous hockey stick graph and made millions as a result of his stupid film.
This propaganda about AGW/ACC had been especially targetted at children in schools.
Now that generation have come of age and are making their views felt politically.

By now we've all heard the media crowing about the new "green wave" across Europe
We've experienced it here too in the form of the election of Oil share owning hypocrite Ciaran Cuffe and friends
Just this week Prime time had a farcical debate between zealot green party member and Michael Healy Rae


Taxing the poorest in society on basic items with carbon taxes and undermining sustainable agriculture in Ireland, in the belief that somehow these actions will help bring about a change in the earth's climate is complete ideological nonsense.

The EU is of course driving this nonsense agenda by imposing huge fines for greenhouse gas emissions here.

Anyone with two braincells can look at our relatively tiny population and then look at a globe or google earth and realise that we are just a speck on the surface of the planet and anything we do is completely insignificant in bringing about a change in the earth's climate and that all we will succeed in doing is to cripple our own agriculture and our own economy to the market advantage of other European countries. In fact, though the climate itself may be measurably changing, there is still debate whether it is the actions of human beings that are largely driving this process as opposed to just the natural cycles of the sun.

Yet in the recent election, I have no doubt that naive people voted for these charlatans, actually believing green policies might mean that they might experience less freak weather in the future etc if these carbon taxes and other measures were enacted as the greens want.
They won't. And it's just nonsense to think they possibly could.

Now there is clear evidence that mankind is polluting the earth with waste and plastics on a grand scale and this certainly needs to be tackled and I would be fully behind common sense initiatives that reduce actual pollution. But this obsession with man made climate change and the belief that taxing poor people and undermining our fragile economy by green zealots is quite troubling. And sadly this religion of ACC seems to be the new Green wave's major focus, rather than tackling more traditional concrete issues like environmental pollution and widespread pesticide and GMO use in our food systems etc.

For example many greens advocate dubious policies that will push us to buy new electric cars with batteries that cost thousands and need replacing after just a few years
instead of maintaining and keeping older cars on the road as long as we can. Production of these new cars and batteries is not really half as green as they claim when you examine the full cycle from production to destruction. And forcing mass take up of new cars leading to increased manufacturing and mining etc is NOT really a green policy. It is greenwash that just helps flagging auto manufacturers keep their profits up. Many such green party policies fall apart under rigorous scrutiny.

Is there no end to the gullibility of the electorate, the naivete of our brainwashed youth, the hypocrisy of the greens,
and what headaches will this new "green wave" lead to in Ireland?
The gullible electorate doesn't even bother to come out to vote because they might miss an episode of the Cardassians or whatever they're called.
It's a downward spiral and it will cost them in the end. They'll be waving red rags at the green wave eventually.
 
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The gullible electorate doesn't even bother to come out to vote because they might miss an episode of the Cardassians or whatever they're called.
It's a downward spiral and it will cost them in the end. They'll be waving red rags at the green wave eventually.
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Liberal bias in science

Posting this here, first 20 minutes is all needed but good video overall.
The push for carbon taxes is a politically motivated not scientifically motivated and we are seeing this heavily come to the fore now in even our own politics.
The politicising of findings to push certain agendas. Obviously we contribute to changes in climate just like termites do

so yes there is AGW, if we eat lots of beef, we are producing lots of cows and so methane as example


but of course india is the worst culprit here even though they dont eat beef they have a third of the worlds cows
but there are many factors that contribute to changes in the climate cycle, one which has always changed and would always change no matter if we were on this planet or not, the primary one being the sun above all else.

But the scientists have strayed so far from the data, eg the hockey stick graph which was completely fake due to an algorithm that generated a pre cooked result based on selectively amplifying certain trends that went in the direction they wanted it to go, revealed on different occasions like with the climate gate emails.

As in people changing the data to get the policy change they want for whatever liberal political reasons they are promoting. And if you think that the earth would not be in a warming period that it is now, even if we were all long dead at this point, you are not at the races.

The same issues abound in the social sciences
Diederik Alexander Stapel (born 19 October 1966 in Oegstgeest) is a Dutch former professor of social psychology at Tilburg University and before that at the University of Groningen in the Netherlands.[1] In 2011 Tilburg University suspended Stapel for fabricating and manipulating data for his research publications. This scientific misconduct took place over a number of years and affected at least 55 publications.[2] As of 2019 Stapel has had 58 of these publications retracted.[3]
Where his fake science was promoted as it was exactly what certain people wanted to hear to promote regulations or ideas that aligned with their political and ideological views.

Such junk science like above is being funded in the end by the tax payer, its all about the money flowing in the end.
This does not mean that co2 hasnt effects, it does, it is plant food, ye want lots of trees , lots of co2 is good for that.

We may be fucking up the place, we are at least regards pollution, but its irrelevant if you think the clowns that are running things are using such thoughts for the benefit of anyone other then themselves. If you cannot disconnect actions from what is happening, as in you buy into the religion of climate change that is being pushed now, you have acclimatised yourself to the clown world we are in today.

If you care about nature then there lots of parts to target Where have all the swallows gone?
So why arent we invading egypt ? :)

Lets assume that co2 is the issue. China is the biggest polluter across the board and has the highest co2 output of any country by double at the very least, so why havent we glassed the place, its not going to stop and is laughing at us, though it is doing what i have said you should do and that is build on from the technology that we have, rather then add on technology that is obviously not going o work in the end as it still depends on the old technology to be around, and so is just adding to the complexity of the system.

Anything this country does regards what they tell us to is not only going to be an extra tax on us, its not going to do anything in the end as all its about is pushing the industrial jobs onto poorer countries and taxes and higher bills on the plebs, the clowns in this country think they can change the world, fuck is wrong with us, we are irrelevant outside being used as a caymon islands of europe or for the deportation of our own and importation of their replacements. We were one of two that declared a climate change disaster is happening, we are a laughing stock, no different to leprechaun economics.

Consensus means little in science when science is influenced heavily by the social order and where your money comes from.
"In the sciences, the authority of thousands of opinions is not worth as much as one tiny spark of reason in an individual man." Galileo Galilei

The old science that brought us to where we are now was heavily influenced by the idea that whatever came out of it was irrelevant of someones feelings or political influences, it was an eureka moment or something that god wanted us to see or the want to find out something outside personal benefit as a reasoning.

Now its money makes the world go round.
 
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Aye and to think someone here fully supported Cultural Marxist and Green extremist tosser Ming (Piece of Shit) Flannagan.
Ming was certainly wrong on a few things. However at least he was right on a few things too.
Beats being wrong on everything which most FF/FG candidates were.
Try to stay on the topic and discuss that please rather than using the thread
as an excuse just to snipe at a mod you dislike.
 

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... We have been immersed in propaganda about Man made or Anthropogenic Climate Change since that asshole Al Gore conned us all with his famous hockey stick graph and made millions as a result of his stupid film.
This propaganda about AGW/ACC had been especially targetted at children in schools.
Now that generation have come of age and are making their views felt politically.

... Anyone with two braincells can look at our relatively tiny population and then look at a globe or google earth and realise that we are just a speck on the surface of the planet and anything we do is completely insignificant in bringing about a change in the earth's climate

... there is still debate whether it is the actions of human beings that are largely driving this process as opposed to just the natural cycles of the sun...
... I am a trained scientist...

... The computer models are not reliable and are incomplete.... Predictions frequently deviate significantly from actual measurements... They completely play down the behaviour of the sun and it's complex interaction with our own magnetic field as a factor.... And the amounts of CO2 involved are tiny in the scheme of things... The atmosphere of our planet is actually quite huge. Most people would have difficulty in even conceiving how huge it is.
Highly trained in pseudo science and the latest conspiracist-minded dogma and "theory" put about on the interwebs you may well be, you complete clown.

Certainly though, what you have posted here is utter gibberish. Now, I'm not going to argue the technical or scientific points with you, it is up to you to try to understand such things better. But I'll provide a little background for you, going back well before "Al Gore conned us with his propaganda..." etc.


"... In 1859, the Irish physicist John Tyndall identified the role of water vapour, atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO₂) and methane (CH4). He found these were key factors in maintaining temperature, despite their tiny proportion of the total atmosphere...
... In 1925 the prodigious American statistician Alfred James Lotka (1880-1949), described what we now call “anthropogenic climate change”.
“Economically we are living on our capital. Biologically we are changing radically the complexion of our share in the carbon cycle. We are throwing into the atmosphere, from coal fires and metallurgical furnaces, ten times as much carbon dioxide as in the natural process of breathing.”
Lotka referred to “the present régime of ‘evaporating’ our coal mines … into the air”...

Scientists (real ones , you clown) have being trying to communicate their scientific knowledge about this to the general public since the mid sixties.

Scientists like say Barry Commoner in the sixties and seventies raised the warming issue and struggled to bring the scientific knowledge about this to the layman, in a way they might be able to grasp the urgency of, and act upon.

A multitude of others like say James Lovelock in the eighties further took up this work.

Unfortunately, tragically, there are a number of factors at play to ensure the concerns of such real scientists are dismissed.

You will see being a conspiracist minded utter arse is one of them if you read my first link.

Also observing that it is quite a tragic irony that the type of loon you find on this site, like yourself, are so often in the denialist camp - Ireland will be a 'lifeboat' for people fleeing climate chaos - Independent.ie

:rolleyes:


PS The computer models are not what the theory of anthropogenic warming is predicated on. They are merely a tool that came much later. Any real scientist worth their salt acknowledges that such tools are exceedingly limited in accurately modelling the complexities of nature. But they can be helpful, and they are something the public can easily grasp. Whereas observations in scientific fields including geology and many others are what underpin the theory itself.
 
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