Would It be uncivilised if a person posted a thread flinging base personal insults at another poster, as you did recently kanevic?if by civilisation you mean the nature of a centralised system of governance being civilised, then we have never had complete civilisations; only a couple of "heroes", some of which grew up outside of the polis, in the "barbaric" countryside
it is possible that emmet, tone, o'leary or parnell could have turned ireland in to something like a civilisation, as yeats seems to yearn for in his verse, but he also warns of the "terrible beauty" of the violence of pearse & his catholic ilk, as well as his friend, george russell, referring later, to ireland, from abroad, as a country "gone to the devil"; to suggest the irish were ever civilised outside of some ascendancy figures & maybe pearse himself, seems incredibly spurious; to suggest they are now & are in danger of not being is an outright lie
all the more interesting to hear the gay Paul w bang on about family values. what a strange world! i think he is just trying to profit from this and a bit of copying of black pigeon!