Saudi Arabia The Scapegoat for War with Iran

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Democracy, you are having a laugh. Protect multinational business companies in oil and illegal narcotics more like.
I think its perfectly reasonably btw that an American soldier should not want to die for Israeli interests.
Not many objected when the US defended European democracy from Soviet expansion for 50 years - and I'm sure Iseaeli's feel the same way about the defense of their democracy.
 

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Not many objected when the US defended European democracy from Soviet expansion for 50 years - and I'm sure Iseaeli's feel the same way about the defense of their democracy.
There were many Americans throughout its history believed in its isolation and never wanted to become a global empire.
America owes Israel nothing, and if their people are weary of fighting its wars, so be it.
Taking out Iraq plunged the whole region into chaos, whats going to happen if the most stable Shia country is destroyed?
Who benefits?
Not America, not Europe, not Christians in the Middle East.
 

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There were many Americans throughout its history believed in its isolation and never wanted to become a global empire.
America owes Israel nothing, and if their people are weary of fighting its wars, so be it.
Taking out Iraq plunged the whole region into chaos, whats going to happen if the most stable Shia country is destroyed?
Who benefits?
Not America, not Europe, not Christians in the Middle East.
The Iranians have a lot of inner resources and it is a much more homogeneous than Iraq. The Americans if they do go to war there will get much more bogged down than they did in Iraq and also will not be able to win as they did in Iraq by going all out to whip up sectarian tensions to fever pitch. The United States has massive difficulties as it is with the opioid crisis killing vast swathes of it's white working and increasingly middle classes as well as ever spreading social breakdown. The Zionist project desperately wants the Islamic Republic of Iran out of the way however if they manage to pressure their greatest supporter into a fool hardy war with Iran they might end up losing that ally. The Yanks and the Zionists lost in Syria- but that was a war fought with proxies. If they lose a war with their actual army this could easily have major repercussions.
 

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Nobody in the media anywhere asks 'what is Iran supposed to have done?'.

The media exists to ask questions. This notion of 'well the Americans feel this way and you never question them' deeply infects the media throughout the West... this idea of accepting the 'realpolitik' of US hegemony is another word for cowardice.

Iran's crimes are it's independence, owning it's own oil and refusing to follow zionist orders.
 

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There were many Americans throughout its history believed in its isolation and never wanted to become a global empire.
America owes Israel nothing, and if their people are weary of fighting its wars, so be it.
Taking out Iraq plunged the whole region into chaos, whats going to happen if the most stable Shia country is destroyed?
Who benefits?
Not America, not Europe, not Christians in the Middle East.
America owed Europe nothing either - but they still drove out the Nazi's and halted Soviet expansion into Western Europe
And continued to shore up the defence of Europe for decades later at great expense
Likewise with Israel, America owes them nothing, but as with us Europeans, we are indebted to them for defending our democracies
 

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Nobody in the media anywhere asks 'what is Iran supposed to have done?'.

The media exists to ask questions. This notion of 'well the Americans feel this way and you never question them' deeply infects the media throughout the West... this idea of accepting the 'realpolitik' of US hegemony is another word for cowardice.

Iran's crimes are it's independence, owning it's own oil and refusing to follow zionist orders.
- threatenening to wipe another country off the map
- secretly developing long range missiles and nuclear weapons capability
- financing terrorist militias in Iraq, Lebanon, Syria and Yemen
- brutally suppressing their own population
Isn't that enough?
 

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- threatenening to wipe another country off the map
- secretly developing long range missiles and nuclear weapons capability
- financing terrorist militias in Iraq, Lebanon, Syria and Yemen
- brutally suppressing their own population
Isn't that enough?
The Shia have a presence in Iraq, Leb, Syria and Yemen. You would prefer they get wiped out by Saudi-Israeli supported terrorists, naturally Iran helps the Shia in those countries. In terms of behaviour they behave as armies and guerilla movements not terrorists - they do not for example blow up schools and hospitals as Israel does which is terrorism behaviour nor do they blow themselves up in cinemas etc as Israelis other friends do.

As for nuclear capability, they have agreed to abdicate their rights to develop nuclear activities in the interests of fulfilling obligations to the agreement they reached - but the US violated it's own terms under the agreement even as Iran fulfilled its.

As for brutally suppressing, yes every country in the world suppresses their own people otherwise there would be anarchy. We for example ban membership of certain organisations.

As for threatening to wipe off the map, Israel has done this - even France threatened to wipe Iran off the map. These are words.
 

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If you are not willing to defend democracy in the world then you shouldn't join the US Army!
How does one defend democracy in a region that is not known for it historically? Oh...and America is not a democracy, it is a constitutional Republic. Why is the US not pushing the CR system on everyone??
 

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The Shia have a presence in Iraq, Leb, Syria and Yemen. You would prefer they get wiped out by Saudi-Israeli supported terrorists, naturally Iran helps the Shia in those countries. In terms of behaviour they behave as armies and guerilla movements not terrorists - they do not for example blow up schools and hospitals as Israel does which is terrorism behaviour nor do they blow themselves up in cinemas etc as Israelis other friends do.

As for nuclear capability, they have agreed to abdicate their rights to develop nuclear activities in the interests of fulfilling obligations to the agreement they reached - but the US violated it's own terms under the agreement even as Iran fulfilled its.

As for brutally suppressing, yes every country in the world suppresses their own people otherwise there would be anarchy. We for example ban membership of certain organisations.

As for threatening to wipe off the map, Israel has done this - even France threatened to wipe Iran off the map. These are words.
You have that the wrong way around.
The vast majority of Iraqis are Shia. One of the reasons Saddam was deposed was because of the widespread and brutal persecution of the Shia by the minority Sunni regime of his.
Your other points are gibberish. Every country does not persecute its own people ffs.
 

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Son of Tuathal is hardly an "Iran lover" by any means. Stop lumping in all the Goy who do not sycophant over Zionazism in together.

I on the other have huge respect for the Islamic Republic of Iran and view it as a genuine Light Unto the Nations. Ideally I would like to see a Christian version of what they have in Iran here but tragically that is an extremely remote possibility.

The Iranian Revolutionary Guard would destroy the drugged, nihilistic American soldiers. If the Yanks are stupid enough to go into war against the Iranian people than this could very easily greatly speed up the collapse of the tottering American Empire leaving the Zionist project in a very tough position. It might even cause a back lash against American Jewry given AIPAC's and other Zionist Jews role in pushing for the inevitable slaughter.
That reminds me of when people were saying the same about the highly trained, highly motivated, well trained, well equipped Iraqi Republican Guard shortly before the US destroyed them.
 

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How does one defend democracy in a region that is not known for it historically? Oh...and America is not a democracy, it is a constitutional Republic. Why is the US not pushing the CR system on everyone??
Everyone has a right to a say in how they are ruled according to the UDHR.
The US is both a democracy and a Federal Republic - democracies can take several different forms you know
What Are The Different Types And Forms Of Democracy?
 
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