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Renua’s three strikes policy

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[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]YESTERDAY RENUA UNVEILED its manifesto, with the party taking a tough stance on crime.[/font]
[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]Included as part of this is the ‘three strikes’ rule, where a person faces an automatic mandatory life sentence if convicted of a serious offence three times.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]Offences considered serious enough to be included under the proposal are rape, child sex abuse and burglary.[/font]


[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]http://www.thejournal.ie/renua-three-strikes-policy-crime-tough-2531492-Jan2016/[/font]
[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]Rape and Child sex abuse should carry a Maximum life sentence already, as for burglary I think its a good idea, three strikes and your out.[/font]
 

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It might be better for Renua to define what exactly a "life sentence" is under their proposals.
 

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Get it down to 2 Strikes for some offences.

The Bogus Human Rights Gang, Gaystapo & Loony left fraternities wouldn't like the resultant safety- being "Safetyphobes"...
 

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The entire manifesto is a joke. It would not pass Leaving Cert level, the typo's, and bad grammar and spelling alone, are enough to discredit it. I read through the entire thing for a laugh, and it was indeed funny.

Apparently , digital content needs, er, content, and Renua will ensure this happens. So who knows perhaps we will be forced to post to sites we have signed up too, whether we like it or not.

They also talk about Housing Benefit. Anyone know what this is? I know in the UK, this is their version of Rent Supplement, but it seems someone must have got hasty with the cut and paste job from the Tory manifesto. And the showjumping community are to get better tax breaks, because Creighton loves horse riding. (Really, not a joke).

And our main streets in our towns are high streets, a la UK, apparently.

Nothing on water rates, abortion, or ye know any of the issues that get Irish people excersized.
 
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Its as if they have cherry picked from Manifestos around the world forgetting to edit the content to fit in with an Irish consensus.

It matters not, even Lucinda may lose her seat and they will be as useful in the Dail as UKIP are in the UK Parliament.
 

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Just about any restriction on a judge's ability to sentence is a bad idea. All it does is transfer that power to the prosecution, which leads to major abuses. In the US, mandatory sentencing has been a disaster.
 

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Makavelli said:
The entire manifesto is a joke.  It would not pass Leaving Cert level, the typo's, and bad grammar and spelling alone, are enough to discredit it.  I read through the entire thing for a laugh, and it was indeed funny.

Apparently , digital content needs, er, content, and Renua will ensure this happens.  So who knows perhaps we will be forced to post to sites we have signed up too, whether we like it or not.

They also talk about Housing Benefit. Anyone know what this is?  I know in the UK, this is their version of Rent Supplement, but it seems someone must have got hasty with the cut and paste job from the Tory manifesto.  And the showjumping community are to get better tax breaks, because Creighton loves horse riding.  (Really, not a joke).

And our main streets in our towns are high streets, a la UK, apparently.

Nothing on water rates, abortion, or ye know any of the issues that get Irish people excersized.
Loony Lucy no doubt wishes she was sitting as an Irish MP in the Commons alongside her Tory heroes.
 
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There is little justice in the US and each state has differing laws but the worst in the 3 strikes law where people with a bit of weed can end up getting sent away for life. However, judges can issue outlandishly harsh sentences. There should be a mandatory maximum sentence imo.
 
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"End the power of banks to demand personal guarantees for business lending".

This is fairly idiotic from any party, least of all one claiming to be probusiness right wing etc
 

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Youngdan said:
"End the power of banks to demand personal guarantees for business lending".

This is fairly idiotic from any party, least of all one claiming to be probusiness right wing etc
I actually agree with this. Personal guarantees for borrowing by limited companies should be illegal (or simply made unenforceable). The whole point of a limited company is that the losses are limited to the assets of the company. Its one of the foundation stones of modern capitalism.


Personal guarantees allow the banks to make irrational decisions - they can say, sure this company hasn't a hope of repaying, by we can chase Joe Bloggs and get his house. There would have been no developer-led-bank-crash if there were no personal guarantees. 

Personal guarantees are anti-capitalist.
 

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seabhcan said:
Just about any restriction on a judge's ability to sentence is a bad idea. All it does is transfer that power to the prosecution, which leads to major abuses. In the US, mandatory sentencing has been a disaster.
hows that mate????? id say most people are sick of judges lettin off lads with 40 or 50 convictions with a suspended sentence.... if they put me in charge :):):) youd get the ordinary sentence for your first offense twice the sentence for your second tree times for your third.... after a few like that youd be too fuckin old to do much agin you got out.....
 

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seabhcan said:
I actually agree with this. Personal guarantees for borrowing by limited companies should be illegal (or simply made unenforceable). The whole point of a limited company is that the losses are limited to the assets of the company. Its one of the foundation stones of modern capitalism.


Personal guarantees allow the banks to make irrational decisions - they can say, sure this company hasn't a hope of repaying, by we can chase Joe Bloggs and get his house. There would have been no developer-led-bank-crash if there were no personal guarantees. 

Personal guarantees are anti-capitalist.
 The banks could  not get the money back whether it was guaranteed or not.  All  that happened is that the lovely fragrant wife of Sean Dunne(amongst others)  became a 'property developer', whilst they both fucked off and left the Irish taxpayer with their debts.

Given that capitalism in its modern guise is simply a  means stealing from taxpayers, your description of capitalism is simply risible.
 
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