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Remembering Michael Collins who died for Ireland on this Day 96 Years ago

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Page 61 - do you give the Field Mouse likes because you agree with him, or because you feel sorry for him due to his sheer ignorance of Irish history?
 
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Excuse me?
The anti treaty forces murdered Sean Hales TD. without any trial.
The anti treaty forces were prepared to murder every Irish pro treaty TD.
They also burnt out many people from their homes.

The state reprisals were indeed draconian.
However.
This draconian policy effectively shortened the civil war and saved far far more lives than were lost.
Childers knew full well the penalty for carrying arms.
He was English to the core formerly from Brit intelligence and correctly regarded with great suspicion as an agent provocateur working to destabilize Dáil Éireann.

Darkening the mood?
The majority of the Irish electorate supported the treaty.
The executions were draconian and so were the times when chaos ,anarchy , looting , arson and murder stalked a land desperately seek g to recover from the war of independence.

DeValera advocated the wading through blood of fellow Irishmen to get the Republic.

How any rational person could ever support the anti treaty position baffles me.

Their position was utterly unsustainable and placed every single Irish life in jeopardy.
DeValera instigated this and encouraged his followers to murder pro treaty Irish people who were the majority.

It was a fascistic demagogic position and it triggered those draconian reprisals.


You're talking tripe.
De Valera was only a bit player in the Civil War.
The Irregular leadership did not take orders from him.

As regards Hales, hoew many anti-Treaty TDs did the Free Staters kill?

And when was Hales killed? the men the Free Staters murdered on Dec 8 1922 had been locked up since the summer.
 

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You're talking tripe.
De Valera was only a bit player in the Civil War.
The Irregular leadership did not take orders from him.

As regards Hales, hoew many anti-Treaty TDs did the Free Staters kill?

And when was Hales killed? the men the Free Staters murdered on Dec 8 1922 had been locked up since the summer.
A bit player?
:rolleyes:
DeValera was the top political driving force in the split that led to civil war.
Calling him a bit player is absurd and ignores the actual political historical facts.

DeValera was also a murdering monster driven by hatred and lust for power.
He advocated the liquidation of people who wanted an end to an unwinnable war .
The anti treaty people were led astray by him and those who agreed with his rabid racist anti Irish views.
The monster then pivoted 180 degrees and having grabbed power ran the state into the ground creating an economic war with England and finally shooting his former comrades using the powers of the state.

A real snake.
 
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A bit player?
:rolleyes:
DeValera was the top political driving force in the split that led to civil war.
Calling him a bit player is absurd and ignores the actual political historical facts.

DeValera was also a murdering Khunt driven by hatred and lust for power.
He advocated the liquidation of people who wanted an end to an unwinnable war .
The anti treaty people were led astray by him and those who agreed with his rabid racist anti Irish views.
The khunt then pivoted 180 degrees and having grabbed power ran the state into the shits creating an economic war with England and finally shooting his former comrades using the powers of the state.

A real snake.


Sean Hales was assassinated on Dec 7 1922. The killing did not come in isolation. The Free Staters had been executing captured Republicans for a month previously. I would think Hales was shot in retaliation for a dozen or more judicial killings by the Free Staters.
The Free Staters did what the British never did--execute prisoners without even a sham trial.

The men murdered on Dec 8 had been in jail since July. Murdered--no other word.
Of course the bloated bishops were quite happy with that.

As regards De Valera, since he took little part in the Civil War he is of no interest to me.
 

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Sean Hales was assassinated on Dec 7 1922. The killing did not come in isolation. The Free Staters had been executing captured Republicans for a month previously. I would think Hales was shot in retaliation for a dozen or more judicial killings by the Free Staters.
The Free Staters did what the British never did--execute prisoners without even a sham trial.

The men murdered on Dec 8 had been in jail since July. Murdered--no other word.
Of course the bloated bishops were quite happy with that.

As regards De Valera, since he took little part in the Civil War he is of no interest to me.

DeValera almost singlehandedly caused the Irish Civil war.
Without his enormous prestige the anti treaty IRA split would never have gained sufficient momentum and bitterness to precipitate the scale of conflict that actually occurred or the subsequent reprisal murders on both sides.
To say Valera is of no interest to you indicates you have a poor grasp of Irish Civil war history and the forces that brought it about and kept it going .
 
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Ok Lads, calm down, we have bigger problems today.

It was all down to discombobulation.

Between you 2 Posting I was on the Phone to a FF Member in the 16-21 Club who is a Brexiteer & who's Grandmother was involved in 1916.

All of us Anti EU Activists have to move in the same Direction, I've a Thread coming up - there is a clear Pathway out of the UK but not out of the USE.
 

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DeValera almost singlehandedly caused the Irish Civil war.
Without his enormous prestige the anti treaty IRA split would never have gained sufficient momentum and bitterness to precipitate the scale of conflict that actually occurred or the subsequent reprisal murders on both sides.
To say Valera is of no interest to you indicates you have a poor grasp of Irish Civil war history and the forces that brought it about and kept it going .


Betrayal of the Irish Republic caused the civil war, not DeValera.
 
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Betrayal of the Irish Republic caused the civil war, not DeValera.
Yes & Dev let it slip afterwards that he didn't realise the 26 Co State could become a Republic, that meant that the Treaty was a Retreaty by the British from 26 Counties, leaving us just the 6.

However, we couldn't allow another Retreat from 2 or 3 Counties even if the UN changed their Rules as the Unionists would just Bed down in the othe 3 or 4.

That is if the UK doesn't break up first.

Michael Collins sent Guns up North & more after the Treaty, there was method in his madness.
 
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