Referendum to make Calafornia 3 States???

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whats the reasoning behind this.
I read a lot of people are leaving CA and moving to Texas and other States.
Seems to be an indebted, liberal shithole.
The reason is simple enough. The rural conservatives hate the dictates of the liberals in Sacramento(The Capital). They see the once Golden State having become the Shithole State.

The democrats willfight this of course as it would greatly advantage the republican candidate in a presidential election and also instead of having 2 democrats in the 100 member Senate, there could be 3 new republicans and maybe 1 new democrat in a 104 member Senate.
 

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The reason is simple enough. The rural conservatives hate the dictates of the liberals in Sacramento(The Capital). They see the once Golden State having become the Shithole State.

The democrats willfight this of course as it would greatly advantage the republican candidate in a presidential election and also instead of having 2 democrats in the 100 member Senate, there could be 3 new republicans and maybe 1 new democrat in a 104 member Senate.

Although the author's intentions are good, it's all a colossal waste of time and money (to have all the signatures collected and have the measure put on the ballot). The last time a state seceded successfully was when W. Virginia seceded in 1863 and only because Southern states were in "rebellion" and ergo disenfranchised.

3/4 of the states need to ratify the secession plan and there's fat chance of that's happening. California, like the United States, is much too large to begin with it and is collapsing under its own weight. For instance, I live in San Bernardino County, the largest in the country. It alone is more than half the size of Ireland.

States will secede again not when they hold secession referenda. They'll secede when they are confident neither the the federal government nor the oppressive state government has the monopoly on violence any longer. Insurrection will ensure secession, not some time-consuming, this-is-the-will-of-the people bullshit.

There are draft constitutions that have been penned by folks who envision life in new, dynamic, smaller countries after the United States gives up the ghost. They are no longer part of the lunatic fringe.
 

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Although the author's intentions are good, it's all a colossal waste of time and money (to have all the signatures collected and have the measure put on the ballot). The last time a state seceded successfully was when W. Virginia seceded in 1863 and only because Southern states were in "rebellion" and ergo disenfranchised.

3/4 of the states need to ratify the secession plan and there's fat chance of that's happening. California, like the United States, is much too large to begin with it and is collapsing under its own weight. For instance, I live in San Bernardino County, the largest in the country. It alone is more than half the size of Ireland.

States will secede again not when they hold secession referenda. They'll secede when they are confident neither the the federal government nor the oppressive state government has the monopoly on violence any longer. Insurrection will ensure secession, not some time-consuming, this-is-the-will-of-the people bullshit.

There are draft constitutions that have been penned by folks who envision life in new, dynamic, smaller countries after the United States gives up the ghost. They are no longer part of the lunatic fringe.
It is very beneficial to have the concept out there though. Also in a financially severe time, 49 States would vote to get rid of California rather than pay to keep it. How should apply for a green card in Nevada and beat the rush.
 
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