Realistically there is only two options left for the next Tory leader to deliver Brexit

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Soon the Conservative party will have a new leader and the UK a new PM

This new leader will have three options facing him or her, but realistically only two are in play, especially after last night's Peterborough bye election.

Option 1) A new referendum: This could involve no deal on the ballot
Option 2) Indicative voting : Could produce a softer Brexit or indeed a referendum in itself
Option 3) General election.

Option 3 is really difficult to see as the current polling is too fragmented, would not return a majority government, Brexit party will eat into Tory vote.

And finally anyone thinking just walk away on the 31st October is an option, it isn't and Boris knows this as the current parliament arithmetic will not allow it.

And anyone thinking prorogation of parliament is a possible option has their heads in the clouds.

So we are left with parliament deciding on a softer Brexit or the next British PM is forced to call a referendum to break the deadlock.
 

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You didn't omit the obvious.

Unless the conservative Party delivers a WTO Brexit they will continue to hemorrhage votes to the Brexit Party.

If anything can be taken from last nights Peterborough by-election is that the Brexit Party are destroying the conservatives and the only rescue plan they should be imposing is a WTO Brexit, anything else will not satisfy the millions of Ex Conservative voters who are flocking to the Brexit Party.
 

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You didn't omit the obvious.

Unless the conservative Party delivers a WTO Brexit they will continue to hemorrhage votes to the Brexit Party.
How do you propose this WTO is delivered?

Nigel can put a gun to the head of the next Tory leader and make demands, but only prorogation could deliver such and that will not happen under any circumstances.

So again I ask you, how is WTO delivered?
 

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Soon the Conservative party will have a new leader and the UK a new PM

This new leader will have three options facing him or her, but realistically only two are in play, especially after last night's Peterborough bye election.

Option 1) A new referendum: This could involve no deal on the ballot
Option 2) Indicative voting : Could produce a softer Brexit or indeed a referendum in itself
Option 3) General election.

Option 3 is really difficult to see as the current polling is too fragmented, would not return a majority government, Brexit party will eat into Tory vote.

And finally anyone thinking just walk away on the 31st October is an option, it isn't and Boris knows this as the current parliament arithmetic will not allow it.

And anyone thinking prorogation of parliament is a possible option has their heads in the clouds.

So we are left with parliament deciding on a softer Brexit or the next British PM is forced to call a referendum to break the deadlock.
There are only two options in my opinion. Revoke article 50 or leave without a withdrawal agreement.

The law on statute states UK plc will leave on 31/10/19. Only a change in law or an extension agreed by the EU 27 and UK plc government can change this fact. No different to 29th March, when Mrs May didn't have the bottle to leave without an agreement.
 

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How do you propose this WTO is delivered?

Nigel can put a gun to the head of the next Tory leader and make demands, but only prorogation could deliver such and that will not happen under any circumstances.

So again I ask you, how is WTO delivered?
Well you leave on October 31st. Simple as.

It would be messy, it may come with problems, but it is clearly the only way for the Conservative party to survive or be portrayed as traitors by supporters flocking to the Brexit party.

When it comes to protecting their seat, MPs will vote for what keeps them in a job.
 

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Soon the Conservative party will have a new leader and the UK a new PM

This new leader will have three options facing him or her, but realistically only two are in play, especially after last night's Peterborough bye election.

Option 1) A new referendum: This could involve no deal on the ballot
Option 2) Indicative voting : Could produce a softer Brexit or indeed a referendum in itself
Option 3) General election.

Option 3 is really difficult to see as the current polling is too fragmented, would not return a majority government, Brexit party will eat into Tory vote.

And finally anyone thinking just walk away on the 31st October is an option, it isn't and Boris knows this as the current parliament arithmetic will not allow it.

And anyone thinking prorogation of parliament is a possible option has their heads in the clouds.

So we are left with parliament deciding on a softer Brexit or the next British PM is forced to call a referendum to break the deadlock.
Ms.May was a remainer ,her leave negotiations were half hearted and lost her the job.The new Tory leader will know that the EU don't do good deals.So the new leader must go with a no deal.Anything else will lead to a Brexit party taking power.
 

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Walk away. Don't pay the 50 billion. Tell the EU to leave the fishing territory. Watch the German car industry and French agricultural market collapse
Do deal with Trump and the BRICS.
See how fast they come running for a new deal.
 

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Well you leave on October 31st. Simple as.

It would be messy, it may come with problems, but it is clearly the only way for the Conservative party to survive or be portrayed as traitors by supporters flocking to the Brexit party.

When it comes to protecting their seat, MPs will vote for what keeps them in a job.
Bang on the money.

These political bastards will survive a no deal, but throwing the result will be fatal for their careers.

Furthermore, Nigel Fucking Farage only came back into front line politics for one thing...… to ensure UK plc leaves the EU in a meaningful way. Essentially his current position is holding a gun against the conservative leaders head, regardless of which venal shitbag gets the job. He has no desire to be PM, he just wants to get the job done and piss off.
 

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Well you leave on October 31st. Simple as.

It would be messy, it may come with problems, but it is clearly the only way for the Conservative party to survive or be portrayed as traitors by supporters flocking to the Brexit party.

When it comes to protecting their seat, MPs will vote for what keeps them in a job.
The Speaker of the house and parliament will not allow that to happen on the 31st.

And prorogation will not happen.

So what do you now suggest to break the deadlock?
 

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The Speaker of the house and parliament will not allow that to happen on the 31st.

And prorogation will not happen.

So what do you now suggest to break the deadlock?
As far as I understand, the only way of changing the date is to revoke article 50 or ask for an extension. There is not a deadlock, just a lack of political will to resolve the problem.
 

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Parliament would stop Britain leaving on the 31st of October without a withdrawal agreement, the speaker John Bercow(itz) has already made this clear. The most likely outcome would be parliament revoking article 50, or another extension from the European Union for either a general election or another referendum.
 

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As far as I understand, the only way of changing the date is to revoke article 50 or ask for an extension. There is not a deadlock, just a lack of political will to resolve the problem.
Now we are getting somewhere, an extension will be needed to have a referendum to solve the deadlock unless indicative voting can produce a softer Noway style Brexit.

If Boris becomes PM he might even be bold and call a referendum to leave with no deal or remain and fight for no deal.
 
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