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Pope Benedict wanted Irish soldiers to remain loyal to the English Crown.

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So you are saying the Vatican should take its orders from the PIRA Army Council who murdered nuns and who taught the FARC narco terrorists to murder Colombian Catholics. The Catholic Church gave Ireland its schools and hospitals. PIRA kidnapped and mutilated people. The Tans murdered at least three priests. You have probably never heard of Archbishop Croke, Archbishop Thomas Walsh or the Provo priest from Crossmaglen as TO'F was called.
Ireland, with the exception of a few decades ending with Down's first all Ireland win., has been an irrelevance to the Catholic Church. There are more Catholics in England than in Ireland. And then there are a chunk of them in Poland.
If the Catholic Church wanted to help Ireland, it would refuse access to all Sinn Feiners and their sprogs.
This historical thread concerns the devious political policies employed against the Irish people by Pope Benedict during the struggle for Irish independence against the British usurpers and how religion was abused by that pope to foster loyalty to the British Crown.
 

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So you are saying the Vatican should take its orders from the PIRA Army Council who murdered nuns and who taught the FARC narco terrorists to murder Colombian Catholics. The Catholic Church gave Ireland its schools and hospitals. PIRA kidnapped and mutilated people. The Tans murdered at least three priests. You have probably never heard of Archbishop Croke, Archbishop Thomas Walsh or the Provo priest from Crossmaglen as TO'F was called.
Ireland, with the exception of a few decades ending with Down's first all Ireland win., has been an irrelevance to the Catholic Church. There are more Catholics in England than in Ireland. And then there are a chunk of them in Poland.
If the Catholic Church wanted to help Ireland, it would refuse access to all Sinn Feiners and their sprogs.

taught the FARC narco terrorists to murder ...

That's nonsense. The FARC goes back to the 1960s, and political violence in Colombia goes back thru the awful Violencia of the 1950s further and further back in the history of the country.
No Colombian armed group ever needed lessons on how to kill.
Specifically, the FARC which by the 1990s controlled areas as large as Irish counties, is supposed to have taken lessons from people who didn't control one square foot of territory? What could they learn?

It's ludicrous, indeed in a perverse way it's a form of white man superiority thinking.... The Colombians had to be 'taught' by Europeans.
 

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The Irish soldiers told Casement to fock off!!!:ROFLMAO:

( I don't know where Tone got his '56 men' )

As regards Papal advice or edicts - I always say that Catholic Ireland should have respected the Pope's
Laudabiliter - which endorsed the Norman Invasion, and King John as Lord of Ireland.:)
 

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taught the FARC narco terrorists to murder ...

That's nonsense. The FARC goes back to the 1960s, and political violence in Colombia goes back thru the awful Violencia of the 1950s further and further back in the history of the country.
No Colombian armed group ever needed lessons on how to kill.
Specifically, the FARC which by the 1990s controlled areas as large as Irish counties, is supposed to have taken lessons from people who didn't control one square foot of territory? What could they learn?

It's ludicrous, indeed in a perverse way it's a form of white man superiority thinking.... The Colombians had to be 'taught' by Europeans.
Didn't the IRA birdwatchers ( including Mortar Monaghan ) head to those parts to give FARC the
benefit of their 'knowledge and experience'??
 

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This historical thread concerns the devious political policies employed against the Irish people by Pope Benedict during the struggle for Irish independence against the British usurpers and how religion was abused by that pope to foster loyalty to the British Crown.
Anyone who knows anything about the period knows that William Joseph Walsh who was Roman Catholic Archbishop of Dublin from 3 July 1885 until his martyrdom on 9 April 1921, was the key political player of his day. Those like you, who don't, have not a clue. Then you have Archbishop Daniel Mannix, who strode the world like a Colossus.

Try to find out something before posting. Roger Casement was a Protestant paedophile, who got his jollies sucking cock in the Congo and Peru. Only priests or soldiers wanting a blow job would want to be close to him. Do you like "patriots" like Casement?
 

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taught the FARC narco terrorists to murder ...

That's nonsense. The FARC goes back to the 1960s, and political violence in Colombia goes back thru the awful Violencia of the 1950s further and further back in the history of the country.
No Colombian armed group ever needed lessons on how to kill.
Specifically, the FARC which by the 1990s controlled areas as large as Irish counties, is supposed to have taken lessons from people who didn't control one square foot of territory? What could they learn?

It's ludicrous, indeed in a perverse way it's a form of white man superiority thinking.... The Colombians had to be 'taught' by Europeans.
So you have never heard of Jim Monaghan and the Three Amigos. Link.
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I expect very few Irish people are quite aware of just how truly insidious Vatican politics are.
Pope Benedict instructed his priest ,a Fr. Crotty of the Dominican order, to preach to Irish soldiers that their duty was in loyalty to the English Crown
The event occurred in Germany in 1917 as Casement inspired agents sought to raise the Irish Brigade from imprisoned Irish soldiers.
This gross manipulation of a soldiers oath of allegiance must be condemned.
Irish soldiers fighting in WW1 in my opinion were entitled to transfer their allegiance to the Irish insurgency that sought Irish independence from Britain.

The Vatican in 1917 was deeply hostile to Irish independence viewing as it did all Irish Catholics as spiritual canon fodder for the re-conversion of Protestant Britain..

Fr, Crottys deeply hypocritical and manipulative sermon no doubt penned by Pope Benedict can be read in the link below.


Perhaps the Vatican was concerned at the prospect of Bolshevism taking hold in Ireland?
 
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Anyone who knows anything about the period knows that William Joseph Walsh who was Roman Catholic Archbishop of Dublin from 3 July 1885 until his martyrdom on 9 April 1921, was the key political player of his day. Those like you, who don't, have not a clue. Then you have Archbishop Daniel Mannix, who strode the world like a Colossus.

Try to find out something before posting. Roger Casement was a Protestant paedophile, who got his jollies sucking cock in the Congo and Peru. Only priests or soldiers wanting a blow job would want to be close to him. Do you like "patriots" like Casement?
The thread concerns pernicious Vatican influences during the war of Irish independence.
If you want to discuss the alleged sex lives of participants start your own porn site or else fuck off.
 

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The thread concerns pernicious Vatican influences during the war of Irish independence.
If you want to discuss the alleged sex lives of participants start your own porn site or else fuck off.
But you are saying Ireland's leading Catholic prelates were not reporting to the Vatican and that the dealings of some cock sucking Protestant paedo in Peru and the Congo is central to understanding Vatican thought.
 
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Perhaps the Vatican was concerned at the prospect of Bolshevism taking hold in Ireland?
It is quite clear the Vatican was only concerned with diluting the prospect of a successful Irish war of independence.
The driving force of Vatican policy was that catholic Ireland must remain part of the Uk because all those Irish Catholics would be somewhat instrumental in the return of England to the catholic fold.

Political independence for Ireland would diminish that objective .
Hence the popes priest sought to manipulate the oath of allegiance these POW Irish soldiers had taken and tell them it was their duty to abide by it.
Very clever and it obviously worked as out of some 1500 Irish POWs in one camp in Germany only 56 joined Casements Irish brigade.

The moral issue is could they change their allegiance to the Irish insurrection and it is my view that indeed they could given the changed circumstances where a majority of Irish people wanted the English gone.
 
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