Oliver Cromwell - Pimp and Sex Trafficker in Irish Children

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Look you are no Anglophile, you choose that name Telestar in order to troll people such as Tadgh and Una. By the standards of the age Cromwell was horrific and he was most so in Ireland. Even the Covenanters turned against the scum bag. This is one of the ironies of the English Civil War, is that Republicans in England built their case through pamphlets blowing up a minorish massacre of Prods in Ulster out of all proportions, making really far out gruesome claims, but when the New Model Army got to Ulster they slaughtered far more Ulster Prods than the Gaels ever did.

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Piss off. This is a serious thread.

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Who in turn supported the Spanish ( Inquisition ), Napoleon ( where do you start? ), the racist Boers,
the Belgian raping Huns, the mass murdering Nazis, and an Argentinian junta that tortured and
murdered thousands of their own people??:rolleyes:
Gaelic people supported the Boers in the Second Boer War because they saw small farming families standing their own against an Empire in the face of unbelievable cruelty. Nothing to do with racism. In terms of actual racism the Anglos and the Jews in South Africa well excel all but the most thran Boer. We don't know just how many Boer women and children were starved to death in the death camps.
 
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Poor old Anglocrap finds himself having to defend a serial child rapist.
These are the reasons why Irish Nationalists supported the Boers in the Second Boer War;





Nothing to do with "Racism".

You should put the "No Off Topic Posts" thing on this. Telestar's trolling doesn't belong here.
 

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Gaelic people supported the Boers in the Second Boer War because they saw small farming families standing their own against an Empire in the face of unbelievable cruelty. Nothing to do with racism. In terms of actual racism the Anglos and the Jews in South Africa well excel all but the most thran Boer. We don't know just how many Boer women and children were starved to death in the death camps.

The English army captured the wives and families of the Boer soldiers and gave them half rations designed to starve them.
 

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The English army captured the wives and families of the Boer soldiers and gave them half rations designed to starve them.
In many concentration camps they gave them a lot less than that. The point is though that Boer Republics than had hardly any Blacks living them so the whole accusation of racism on Telestar's part is just wrong.
 
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I came across this a few years ago. Without a doubt the religious fundamentalist Cromwell sent some irish to the Caribbean. (after the conquest)

However there are no records of ships transporting human cargo from Ireland to the Caribbean. That's not to say it didn't happen but the recording of ships leaving Irish ports with human cargo is not documented.
 

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I came across this a few years ago. Without a doubt the religious fundamentalist Cromwell sent some irish to the Caribbean. (after the conquest)

However there are no records of ships transporting human cargo from Ireland to the Caribbean. That's not to say it didn't happen but the recording of ships leaving Irish ports with human cargo is not documented.
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I came across this a few years ago. Without a doubt the religious fundamentalist Cromwell sent some irish to the Caribbean. (after the conquest)

However there are no records of ships transporting human cargo from Ireland to the Caribbean. That's not to say it didn't happen but the recording of ships leaving Irish ports with human cargo is not documented.

I imagine they were officially described as "indentured servants." The English Régime always likes to cover its crimes against humanity with such euphemisms. But of course it did happen and there is plenty of documentation of it happening. In fact, the slavers got so greedy that they even started kidnapping the children of Protestants in Ireland and shipping them to the Americas. The protests against that are well documented.
 

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This is a very interesting piece which was posted on Facebook. The author gives his permission to reproduce it.

During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children aged 10 to 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Still 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers. Many people today avoid calling the Irish slaves called what they really were: Slaves. They use words such as "indentured servants" to describe what happened to the Irish. However, in most cases from the 17th and 18th centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle.

As Sir William Petty, who had carried out the Down Survey of Ireland wrote in his The Political Anatomy of Ireland (1672):

"The widows and orphens, the deserted wives and families of the swordsmen (England's word at the time for Irish patriots, later to become gunmen) were kidnapped and transported by the slave trading merchants of Bristol which their previous experience enabled them to organise with advantage to themselves."

Cromwell had been informed that Englishmen in the West Indies had "only Negresses and Maroon women to solace them," as Cromwell's son Henry put it. Cromwell's Puritan sensibilities did not hinder him from jumping to supply the colonists lust for fresh young white flesh - and making a good profit to boot. A Captain John Vernon, for example, was employed by the Commissioners for Ireland to kidnap 250 Irish girls around twelve years of age and transport them to Barbados. Once in Barbados they were raped by their English "masters" and, later, forced to breed with black African men - as the English officers found the Irish girls "cold" and they needed to be whipped into submission, where half caste girls, who had been trained to their perversions from childhood, were much more to the English taste.


They came as slaves; vast human cargo transported on tall British ships bound for the Americas. They were shipped by the hundreds of thousands and included men, women, and even the youngest of children. Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in the harshest ways. Slave owners would hang their human property by their hands and set their hands or feet on fire as one form of punishment.

They were burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a warning to other captives. We don’t really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? We know all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade. But, are we talking about African slavery? King James II and Charles I also led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. Britain’s famed Oliver Cromwell furthered this practice of dehumanizing one’s next door neighbor. The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies.

By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves. Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white. From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and children. Britain’s solution was to auction them off as well. During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers. Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly were: Slaves. They’ll come up with terms like “Indentured Servants” to describe what occurred to the Irish.

However, in most cases from the 17th and 18th centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle. As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this same period. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the stain of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were often treated far better than their Irish counterparts. African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death was a monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African.

The English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their own personal pleasure and for greater profit. Children of slaves were themselves slaves, which increased the size of the master’s free workforce. Even if an Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves of her master. Thus, Irish moms, even with this new found emancipation, would seldom abandon their kids and would remain in servitude. In time, the English thought of a better way to use these women (in many cases, girls as young as 12) to increase their market share: The settlers began to breed Irish women and girls with African men to produce slaves with a distinct complexion.

These new “mulatto” slaves brought a higher price than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money rather than purchase new African slaves. This practice of interbreeding Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed “forbidding the practice of mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of producing slaves for sale.” In short, it was stopped only because it interfered with the profits of a large slave transport company. England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more than a century. Records state that, after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia.

There were horrible abuses of both African and Irish captives. One British ship even dumped 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty of food to eat. There is little question that the Irish experienced the horrors of slavery as much (if not more in the 17th Century) as the Africans did. There is, also, very little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness in your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of African and Irish ancestry. In 1839, Britain finally decided on it’s own to end it’s participation in Satan’s highway to hell and stopped transporting slaves. While their decision did not stop pirates from doing what they desired, the new law slowly concluded THIS chapter of nightmarish Irish misery.

But, if anyone, black or white, believes that slavery was only an African experience, then they’ve got it completely wrong. Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our memories. But, where has this ever been taught in our public (and PRIVATE) schools???? Where are stories of Irish Slavery in the history books? Why is it so seldom discussed? Do the memories of hundreds of thousands of Irish victims merit more than a mention from an unknown writer? Or is their story to be one that their English pirates intended: have the Irish story utterly and completely disappear as if it never happened. None of the Irish victims ever made it back to their homeland to describe their ordeal.
This is a very good subject for a thread.
Ive got no idea why this isnt taught in schools in Ireland.
First time I heard about it was in a Stefan Molyneaux video where he dispels the myth that Slavery was all about White people enslaving lack people and talks about all of the groups who were the victims of the slave trade.



 
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