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Nick Griffin to make a political comeback in the UK?

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Another interview from the Griffin on his comeback tour

They should get him on Joe Rogan next. Have him get high like Elon Musk did.
 
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jeremy paxman was nearly shouting and swearing in those interviews.

It is funny when the mask falls off the BBC and reveals the nasty lefty underneath. Everybody should watch those interviews. Look at how many accusations and attacks came from paxman. And look at how measured and reasonable the answers from Griffin were. And which one gets vilified in the media every week ?
 
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I don't say that to be insulting. Because he's read more interesting books in his life than 99% of people ever do. But his BNP leadership years were taken up with running the party, putting out fires, (inadvertently setting them himself), his MEP work in the later years, etc.

He reads things online and has a baseline of knowledge which he can apply to conversations to sound relatively well read. He's by no means stupid. But his reading and intellectual knowledge is seriously outdated and it shows, for the simple reason he hasn't picked up and read a book in about 20 years. He draws back to the same books he read when he was in the NF, e.g. Schumacher's "Small is Beautiful". Joe Pearce, although he departed ideologically (and physically for America), is a better intellect and more well-read than Nick Griffin - who was Best Man at his (first) wedding remember.

As I said earlier, Griffin has good intentions and has a good ideological set of ideas but he's not really matured at all over the years - which is unfortunate but it's reality.
The things I cannot forgive Griffin for are his fetishistic fascination with Ulster Loyalism- which is NOT British Nationalism in Ulster as Enoch Powell came to understand, Enoch Powell grew more and more frustrated by Loyalist savages as time went on- and his treatment of Jonathan Bowden which was intensely scummy.
 

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The things I cannot forgive Griffin for are his fetishistic fascination with Ulster Loyalism- which is NOT British Nationalism in Ulster as Enoch Powell came to understand, Enoch Powell grew more and more frustrated by Loyalist savages as time went on- and his treatment of Jonathan Bowden which was intensely scummy.

Griffin would not allow any rivals to him in the BNP.

Under his leadership it was basically a one man party and everyone else had to follow him.
 
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The things I cannot forgive Griffin for are his fetishistic fascination with Ulster Loyalism- which is NOT British Nationalism in Ulster as Enoch Powell came to understand, Enoch Powell grew more and more frustrated by Loyalist savages as time went on- and his treatment of Jonathan Bowden which was intensely scummy.
Powell wouldn't have even wanted a parliament at Stormont. He wanted a one nation Britain and Northern Ireland controlled by the Imperial Parliament at Westminster. He, like many Tories, got caught off guard and misunderstood the Irish Protestants and confused their selfishness with British patriotism. Bonar Law flirted with the Unionists and then wanted to back off them but Carson kept digging in and basically grabbed his Tory ally back and was prepared to take them into civil war! Powell got sucked in too. Really he should've kept his seat in Birmingham with the Tories rather than that bullshit with resigning, he could've still given that "Judas was paid!" speech and clung on as a Tory. Sure Ted Heath was openly lashing out against Margaret Thatcher for years yet he stayed on as an MP. Powell going with the Ulster Unionists was him realising he fucked everything up and desperately wanting to be back in Parliament. They were pretty rough years.

Griffin is just naive.All his supposedly "independent" ideas which he used to talk about back in the day - Strasserism, Schumacher, Christian Nationalism, etc. are basically someone else's ideas. He came under the influence of Roberto Fiore in the NF years. Now he's under the thumb of Jim Dowson. He is a man without much independence and easily comes under the influence of strong personalities. Funny given he was the Leader of British Nationalism for about 10 years.
 

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Powell wouldn't have even wanted a parliament at Stormont. He wanted a one nation Britain and Northern Ireland controlled by the Imperial Parliament at Westminster. He, like many Tories, got caught off guard and misunderstood the Irish Protestants and confused their selfishness with British patriotism. Bonar Law flirted with the Unionists and then wanted to back off them but Carson kept digging in and basically grabbed his Tory ally back and was prepared to take them into civil war! Powell got sucked in too. Really he should've kept his seat in Birmingham with the Tories rather than that bullshit with resigning, he could've still given that "Judas was paid!" speech and clung on as a Tory. Sure Ted Heath was openly lashing out against Margaret Thatcher for years yet he stayed on as an MP. Powell going with the Ulster Unionists was him realising he fucked everything up and desperately wanting to be back in Parliament. They were pretty rough years.

Griffin is just naive.All his supposedly "independent" ideas which he used to talk about back in the day - Strasserism, Schumacher, Christian Nationalism, etc. are basically someone else's ideas. He came under the influence of Roberto Fiore in the NF years. Now he's under the thumb of Jim Dowson. He is a man without much independence and easily comes under the influence of strong personalities. Funny given he was the Leader of British Nationalism for about 10 years.
I don't think your analysis of Powell is fair. I think he did strongly believe in the Union and also that he was disgusted by the Conservative Party and wanted out. Griffin's thing about Loyalism was more self-deceptive romanticism than anything else.

Actually know that I think of it there are a lot of similarities between Gerry Adams and Nick Griffin- ruthlessness being one.
 
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Powell wouldn't have even wanted a parliament at Stormont. He wanted a one nation Britain and Northern Ireland controlled by the Imperial Parliament at Westminster. He, like many Tories, got caught off guard and misunderstood the Irish Protestants and confused their selfishness with British patriotism. Bonar Law flirted with the Unionists and then wanted to back off them but Carson kept digging in and basically grabbed his Tory ally back and was prepared to take them into civil war! Powell got sucked in too. Really he should've kept his seat in Birmingham with the Tories rather than that bullshit with resigning, he could've still given that "Judas was paid!" speech and clung on as a Tory. Sure Ted Heath was openly lashing out against Margaret Thatcher for years yet he stayed on as an MP. Powell going with the Ulster Unionists was him realising he fucked everything up and desperately wanting to be back in Parliament. They were pretty rough years.

Griffin is just naive.All his supposedly "independent" ideas which he used to talk about back in the day - Strasserism, Schumacher, Christian Nationalism, etc. are basically someone else's ideas. He came under the influence of Roberto Fiore in the NF years. Now he's under the thumb of Jim Dowson. He is a man without much independence and easily comes under the influence of strong personalities. Funny given he was the Leader of British Nationalism for about 10 years.
the irony of Ulster Loyalists being oh so British is their apparent ignorance of the realities on the ground in most English towns.
 
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I don't think your analysis of Powell is fair. I think he did strongly believe in the Union and also that he was disgusted by the Conservative Party and wanted out. Griffin's thing about Loyalism was more self-deceptive romanticism than anything else.

Actually know that I think of it there are a lot of similarities between Gerry Adams and Nick Griffin- ruthlessness being one.
Powell believed in the Union but the South Down adventure was a pretty desperate thing for him to do. He was better than the cavemen he was palling around with in the Ulster Unionists. It must've been quite depressing for him, especially as a man who thought of himself as having the brain power and the ability to lead the Tory Party and the Country as Prime Minister - remember that famous interview with David Frost when he said "Yes of course!" he wanted to be prime minister. He made a hames of things with the standing down from the Conservative Party and Parliament just to bring spite Heath. Then the South Down days were just a dead cat bounce of his political career - a sad thing really
 
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