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Nick Griffin to make a political comeback in the UK?

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Nick Griffin's latest interview

I found that to be quite an interesting video thank you for posting. They went through scenarios for future success. Griffin thinks parliamentary democracy is a dead end except for countries like Ireland due to our transferable vote system. I thought his analysis of tactics used to stymie his movement was enlightening. I know that several posters have a negative view of Griffin . I'd be interested hear why as I don't know that much about him.
 

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There used to be a good website called the "the griffin file" which exposed griffin as a fake nationalist but it doesn't seem to be online anymore.
 

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Griffin's right hand man Simon Derby was an MI5 agent whose now gone to ground.

Well, that could happen to anybody. After all, the Soviets were able to riddle British intelligence with spies and agents.
 

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Well, that could happen to anybody. After all, the Soviets were able to riddle British intelligence with spies and agents.
There is something very slimy about Griffin.

Hes not someone you would trust to buy a used car from.

John Tyndall on the other hand was a genuine nationalist who hated Griffin.
 
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Nick Griffin used the last minute of the radio show to shill for Niall McConnell and the Irish Patriot.

I think Nick's a decent skin overall. Ideologically he was quite a fair man, he took a lot of cues in the 80s (alongside Derek Holland and Joe Pearce) from traditional Catholic social teaching while also the radical anti-imperialist movements of the world - which was a good way of developing Third Position thinking. Particularly in contrast to the crude racism of some of the NF types. Famously the NF activists in some branches in the country refused to sell the NF News edition which had a photo of Malcolm X on the front cover and the title "BLACK POWER!".

Griffin is a man with good intentions but he fell under Jim Dowson's negative influence. Dowson is a vampire who sucks organisations dry through crude fundraising tactics to personally enrich himself. He did it with the BNP and now British Nationalism as a cause is totally in the gutter. He is now doing it with Ireland through Niall and all these constant appeals for donations for these fraud projects which are not practically gained towards the salvation of Ireland but which sound good to the gullible. Niall is another guy with good intentions - although he's less astute than Griffin in fairness - but Jim Dowson's using him as a pawn in a pyramid scheme, vampiric money raising scam.
 
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Nick Griffin hasn't read a book in 20 years
 

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If Nationalists in England want to be elected they have to depart from past incarnations. The skin head, bother boots, holocaust denying, low IQ, tribal footballist, jew baiting stereotype needs to be kept out of sight. This group, although fairly numerous among what is categorised as working class, is not enough to win a vote of any meaningful size.

From listening to some of the well thought out opinions and counter arguments to the liberal mafia of some nationalists on You Tube and other platforms, this is the direction of travel that is essential. The market is there for the taking, especially whilst the labour party is on its arse and this woke shit is spewed out 24 hours per day from every institution.
 
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I don't say that to be insulting. Because he's read more interesting books in his life than 99% of people ever do. But his BNP leadership years were taken up with running the party, putting out fires, (inadvertently setting them himself), his MEP work in the later years, etc.

He reads things online and has a baseline of knowledge which he can apply to conversations to sound relatively well read. He's by no means stupid. But his reading and intellectual knowledge is seriously outdated and it shows, for the simple reason he hasn't picked up and read a book in about 20 years. He draws back to the same books he read when he was in the NF, e.g. Schumacher's "Small is Beautiful". Joe Pearce, although he departed ideologically (and physically for America), is a better intellect and more well-read than Nick Griffin - who was Best Man at his (first) wedding remember.

As I said earlier, Griffin has good intentions and has a good ideological set of ideas but he's not really matured at all over the years - which is unfortunate but it's reality.
 
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John Tyndall on the other hand was a genuine nationalist who hated Griffin.
JT was a genuine nationalist sure but he made no concessions to good practice or reality. He still wanted to advocate undiluted National Socialism in the 1990s. I have admiration for Tyndall. But I don't think he's exactly the gold standard.

Andrew Brons should've won that BNP leadership election in 2010. The BNP was terribly structured and developed into a Kleptocracy. Brons would've at least tried to turn it into a well-constituted and fair party. Then the leadership could've (hopefully) passed to someone with less baggage who could've taken it to the next level politically.
 
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