National Socialism

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Try searching about National Socialism and the first thing you will come across is the NAZIS!!!!!

Growing up like most we were all told that during WW2, the Germans were bad, Hitler was Bad, the Nazis were bad.

What we never learnt was the truth about certain things during that era. For Instance National Socialism started its origins in after the German defeat of WW1.

The party platform was first announced by Adolf Hitler on February 24, 1920. The same day that the party changed its name from the "German Workers' Party" (DAP) to the "National Socialist German Workers' Party" (NSDAP or Nazi Party). After the failed attempt by Hitler and the Nazis in its coup d'état (known as the Beer Hall Putsch) of November 1923, the Nazi Party was officially banned. After Hitler's release from prison in December 1924, the party was re-formed. Although the party only won 6.5% of the vote in 1924, and did not run a candidate in 1925, it re-issued an aggressive manifesto, with slight modifications:

To take a closer look atthe manifestor below are the key points from that 1925 decleration,

1. We demand the union of all Germans in a Great Germany on the basis of the principle of self-determination of all peoples.

2. We demand that the German people have rights equal to those of other nations; and that the Peace Treaties of Versailles and St. Germain shall be abrogated.

3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the maintenance of our people and the settlement of our surplus population.

4. Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens. Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman.

5. Those who are not citizens must live in Germany as foreigners and must be subject to the law of aliens.

6. The right to choose the government and determine the laws of the State shall belong only to citizens. We therefore demand that no public office, of whatever nature, whether in the central government, the province, or the municipality, shall be held by anyone who is not a citizen.

We wage war against the corrupt parliamentary administration whereby men are appointed to posts by favor of the party without regard to character and fitness.

7. We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non-citizens) must be expelled from the Reich.

8. Any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who have entered Germany since August 2, 1914, shall be compelled to leave the Reich immediately.

9. All citizens must possess equal rights and duties.

10. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. No individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all.

Therefore we demand:

11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.

14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.

15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

17. We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.

18. We demand that ruthless war be waged against those who work to the injury of the common welfare. Traitors, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished with death, regardless of creed or race.

19. We demand that Roman law, which serves a materialist ordering of the world, be replaced by German common law.

20. In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people. The curricula of all educational establishments shall be adapted to practical life. The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning. We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State.

21. The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centers, by prohibiting juvenile labor, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young.

22. We demand the abolition of the regular army and the creation of a national (folk) army.

23. We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate deliberate political lies and disseminate them through the press. In order to make possible the creation of a German press, we demand:

(a) All editors and their assistants on newspapers published in the German language shall be German citizens.

(b) Non-German newspapers shall only be published with the express permission of the State. They must not be published in the German language.

(c) All financial interests in or in any way affecting German newspapers shall be forbidden to non-Germans by law, and we demand that the punishment for transgressing this law be the immediate suppression of the newspaper and the expulsion of the non-Germans from the Reich.

Newspapers transgressing against the common welfare shall be suppressed. We demand legal action against those tendencies in art and literature that have a disruptive influence upon the life of our folk, and that any organizations that offend against the foregoing demands shall be dissolved.

24. We demand freedom for all religious faiths in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or offend the moral and ethical sense of the Germanic race.

The party as such represents the point of view of a positive Christianity without binding itself to any one particular confession. It fights against the Jewish materialist spirit within and without, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our folk can only come about from within on the principle: COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD

25. In order to carry out this program we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the State, the unconditional authority by the political central parliament of the whole State and all its organizations.

The formation of professional committees and of committees representing the several estates of the realm, to ensure that the laws promulgated by the central authority shall be carried out by the federal states.

The leaders of the party undertake to promote the execution of the foregoing points at all costs, if necessary at the sacrifice of their own lives.




Prior to Hitler taking over the part, the main principles were related to socialism in which the basic core is control of people, property, and income by a centralized government.

  • The abolition of unearned income;
  • Nationalization of trusts;
  • Inclusion into profit-sharing;
  • Increase in old-age pensions;
  • Creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class;
  • Aguarian reform, which included the seizing of land without compensation;
  • State control of education;
  • Creation of a "folk" army to supplant or replace the regular army;
  • State control of the press
Several concepts, however, make National Socialism unique as a political philosophy:
  • A regimented, militaristic style of governance which had its origins in the Prussian traditions exemplified by Frederick William I (1688–1740), Frederick the Great (1712–68), and Otto von Bismarck (1815–98);
  • A belief of the Nordic “Aryan” man as superior in blood, intellect, and culture over all other races of man, given emphasis by the works of Frederich Nietzsche (Mensch und Übermensch) and other 19th century intellectuals. National Socialism - Conservapedia
If we remove the anti-Jewish context of the 25 point plan and other unsavoury policies, is there much wrong with Nationalist Socialism as a legitimate platform of ideology?
 

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What is wrong with his policies relating to the Jewish people?
 

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What is wrong with his policies relating to the Jewish people?
They are Anti-Semitic. , thus not acceptable in this day and age.

Its one thing to say only Germans are Citizens, its another to single out Jewish people.
 

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They are Anti-Semitic. , thus not acceptable in this day and age.

Its one thing to say only Germans are Citizens, its another to single out Jewish people.
National Socialism itself is not really permissible. That isn't really a riposte.
 
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Lefties today have much in common with 'National Socialists'

-undemocratic (eg refusing to accept Brexit, or irish votes on the EU & immigration)
-against freedom of speech
  • often violent
  • eugenics (via abortion)
  • prejudiced and elitist ( feminists refusing to accept men onto their 'womens studies' courses )
  • propped up by shady investors
  • destroying the fabric of society
  • anti intellectual, anti science...dogmatic and uninterested in evidence or data.
  • attempting to censor all dissent

etc etc.
 

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National Socialism existed as a political ideology before Hitler adopted it, and in truth he never fully adopted it. The likes of Ernst Junger or Ernst Niekisch or the Strasser brothers or even Ernst Rohm where more representative of National Socialist thinking. (It was important to be Ernst in National Socialism).
 

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Lefties today have much in common with 'National Socialists'

-undemocratic (eg refusing to accept Brexit, or irish votes on the EU & immigration)
-against freedom of speech
  • often violent
  • eugenics (via abortion)
  • prejudiced and elitist ( feminists refusing to accept men onto their 'womens studies' courses )
  • propped up by shady investors
  • destroying the fabric of society
  • anti intellectual, anti science...dogmatic and uninterested in evidence or data.
  • attempting to censor all dissent
etc etc.
I disagree, I believe Leftists have more in common with Globalism and those who would call themselves Patriots more in common with National Socialism.
 

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National Socialism existed as a political ideology before Hitler adopted it, and in truth he never fully adopted it. The likes of Ernst Junger or Ernst Niekisch or the Strasser brothers or even Ernst Rohm where more representative of National Socialist thinking. (It was important to be Ernst in National Socialism).
Do you see the ideologies returning in a modern setting or do you think they are confined to history because of the associations of with National Socialist German Workers' Party?
 

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Hitler was a Globalist of sorts. Global hegemony of National zones under a specific form of idiosyncratic economics.
 

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All in all, National Socialism is just common sense. If you're a Nationalist you must consider the people of the nation to be of the highest importance, so you cannot leave them to the randomness of Capitalism.
 

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Hitler was a Globalist of sorts. Global hegemony of National zones under a specific form of idiosyncratic economics.
In many ways he was forced into this, He would have been settled with a return to the lands stolen from Germany prior to World War1. If anything he was a reluctant war leader hence his hesitation over invading England.
 

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Do you see the ideologies returning in a modern setting or do you think they are confined to history because of the associations of with National Socialist German Workers' Party?

I'd say that China, Vietnam, Laos and the DPRK are de facto National Socialist societies today. Even Chavez was a National Socialist in an economic sense.
 
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