Question? LET'S GET THIS (POLITICAL) PARTY STARTED!!!

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Justin has an irrational hatred of Socialism and Communism that bound to put off some of the people that he should be reaching out to, but given the fact that he isn't going to be minister for finance any time soon he is a good enough leader for the Patriotic cause for now.
We don't want to be too pedantic. We're lucky that we have a proper republican nationalist party here in the form of the NP. We got so lucky. It could've gone so differently. For example if Identity Ireland had gone anywhere we would be stuck with all those toxic crypto-Unionist and Tommy Robinson associations in our nationalist movement.

While I'd agree Barrett should be less hostile to socialism, because as an economic and social means of organising society he probably already agrees with it. Obviously when he derides socialists or communists he isn't talking about people like yourself Tadhg. Or even me... I'd consider myself something of a socialist. But he is indeed referring to the self-proclaimed socialist revolutionaries like Rich Boy Barrett or Paul Murphy or Lynn Boylan.

When he gives out about communists my main qualm is it's just outdated rhetoric at this stage, it sounds like Cold War era John Birch Society type bonkers talking points. But anyone who wouldn't support the NP just because they've said some mean things about Marx isn't a good nationalist. The party of everyone's dreams won't just drop out of thin air. This is what we have and this is basically the only attempt we have to get it right. If the NP fails then I don't see anything coming after it successfully. As they'll say "it was tried... they tried to battle the regime and failed". Reynolds lost his job at the ICSA for example. Nobody will want to jump into this again if the NP fails.
 
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Justin Barrett will be out there in 10 years time still waffling away to himself and still not having fielded a single candidate.

We need people of action.
What sort of action do you support? Fly by night 'STOP WHITE GENOCIDE' leaflets in rural small town Ireland like we saw in Lisdoonvarna? Because at the moment that's the only other "action" there is. You're just a bit of a begrudger methinks, and I'm afraid that's terminal.
 

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We don't want to be too pedantic. We're lucky that we have a proper republican nationalist party here in the form of the NP. We got so lucky. It could've gone so differently. For example if Identity Ireland had gone anywhere we would be stuck with all those toxic crypto-Unionist and Tommy Robinson associations in our nationalist movement.

While I'd agree Barrett should be less hostile to socialism, because as an economic and social means of organising society he probably already agrees with it. Obviously when he derides socialists or communists he isn't talking about people like yourself Tadhg. Or even me... I'd consider myself something of a socialist. But he is indeed referring to the self-proclaimed socialist revolutionaries like Rich Boy Barrett or Paul Murphy or Lynn Boylan.

When he gives out about communists my main qualm is it's just outdated rhetoric at this stage, it sounds like Cold War era John Birch Society type bonkers talking points. But anyone who wouldn't support the NP just because they've said some mean things about Marx isn't a good nationalist. The party of everyone's dreams won't just drop out of thin air. This is what we have and this is basically the only attempt we have to get it right. If the NP fails then I don't see anything coming after it successfully. As they'll say "it was tried... they tried to battle the regime and failed". Reynolds lost his job at the ICSA for example. Nobody will want to jump into this again if the NP fails.

That's my position exactly a chara. We have to work with what we've really got. And Barrett and Reynolds have a lot of organisational experience. They are building up the NP slowly but surely and are already far and beyond what anyone else has achieved. As Mao put it,

"In a semi-colonial country such as China, the relationship between the principal contradiction and the non-principal contradictions presents a complicated picture.

When imperialism launches a war of aggression against such a country, all its various classes, except for some traitors, can temporarily unite in a national war against imperialism. At such a time, the contradiction between imperialism and the country concerned becomes the principal contradiction, while all the contradictions among the various classes within the country (including what was the principal contradiction, between the feudal system and the great masses of the people) are temporarily relegated to a secondary and subordinate position."

Ireland today is a de facto colonial country, under foreign occupation and undergoing foreign Plantation. This is the Principle Contradiction and the Class Contradiction must temporarily take second place. All classes of Irish society, except for some traitors (sadly this is nearly all of Leinster House) must unite in a national war against this imperialist occupation and Plantation.
 

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For example if Identity Ireland had gone anywhere we would be stuck with all those toxic crypto-Unionist and Tommy Robinson associations in our nationalist movement.
Please don't compare Barrett to Robinson. Barrett is an egotistical hot air merchant who just wants to listen to his own voice endlessly splurting out meaningless waffle to the two or three people that bother to turn up to listen to him. Robinson is on the street every day actually dong something and has brought international coverage to bear on the situation in England as a result.

Yes Barrett is better than nothing. But not by much.

What sort of action do you support? Fly by night 'STOP WHITE GENOCIDE' leaflets in rural small town Ireland like we saw in Lisdoonvarna? Because at the moment that's the only other "action" there is. You're just a bit of a begrudger methinks, and I'm afraid that's terminal.
You're the one suggesting that Mags shouldn't bother starting her party yet I'm the begrudger?

Barrett does NOTHING! How long has the party been in operation yet there still isn't a single Councillor standing for election. When's the last time you seen him on the street interviewing people or organising a protest? Yes he turned up at the abortion march as did thousands of others but for the leader of the Irish nationalist movement he does fukking nothing.

Besides the NP's core principles are convoluted Water Mitty type claptrap. Perfect for the likes of the Potato Head to muse over with his pipe and slippers but about as practical as tits on a Boar. Mags can see this so she's put an alternative forward that might, you know, actually do something.
 
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Please don't compare Barrett to Robinson. Barrett is an egotistical hot air merchant who just wants to listen to his own voice endlessly splurting out meaningless waffle to the two or three people that bother to turn up to listen to him. Robinson is on the street every day actually dong something and has brought international coverage to bear on the situation in England as a result.

Yes Barrett is better than nothing. But not by much.
Tommy Robinson is a street thug liberal anti-Islam agitator.
 

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Obviously when he derides socialists or communists he isn't talking about people like yourself Tadhg. Or even me... .
That is easily the daftist thing I have ever read on this site. Barret would have no time for people like Taidge what so ever. He would fit perfectly in The John Birch Society. He is very typical of the membership. He is keeping himself in check for the moment. That is why I joined because the only thing that could save Ireland is The John Birch Society
 

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Justin Barrett will be out there in 10 years time still waffling away to himself and still not having fielded a single candidate.

We need people of action.
The men of action are in the man chat room. Invitation only.
 

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What sort of action do you support? Fly by night 'STOP WHITE GENOCIDE' leaflets in rural small town Ireland like we saw in Lisdoonvarna? Because at the moment that's the only other "action" there is. You're just a bit of a begrudger methinks, and I'm afraid that's terminal.
Who was dropping those leaflets?
 

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I don't have time to chop and change.....as you know, time is of the essence Una. It'll just confuse people.
Are you being referred to as Mags. If so is that your name and are you comfortable in it being known?
 
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