Lenin on the Fake Lefties that pose as Marxists in Europe today

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Haha, yes, yes. There is no saving you from ignorance. Okay comrade. Continue to LARP, they have proven to be dangerous ideas in the past but perhaps you are special and you can build a Marxist state that works where others have failed.

I hope this revolutionary 19th century lens that you are using to view 21st reality hasn't spread to too many people. As I said before, when you are misled, you will mislead.

We Communists have two million years of experience, while you Capitalists are barely 300 years in the world.
 

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Keep dreaming, Timmy..

I'm sure you are a harmless auld buffoon I r l.

Thank God the only harm you do in the world is to litter our threads and bring down the intellectual tone of this website.
 

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Capitalism \ Individualism is a rebellion against the natural order, which is Communal. In reality, it is Communism that is the true Conservative force in the world.

mmm very interesting.. u refer to communism are a 'true conservative force'.
when a Country has a moral compass, e.g. christian core culture, u have that force from within, cultural unity.

maybe Capitalism 'under globalism' is against the natural order..,
but being rewarded for hard work encourages people to be motivated, & reach their potential, it makes them happy to have goals for the future.
it doesn't have to turn into mega-mergers, where corporations have so much power /monopoly.
but with Communism yr potential is crushed 'for the common good',
the 'individual potential' of each, & of your Country is undermined. (& u still have masters....!).
Not really the 'free' republic that was imagined..? imo.
 

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mmm very interesting.. u refer to communism are a 'true conservative force'.
when a Country has a moral compass, e.g. christian core culture, u have that force from within, cultural unity.

maybe Capitalism 'under globalism' is against the natural order..,
but being rewarded for hard work encourages people to be motivated, & reach their potential, it makes them happy to have goals for the future.
it doesn't have to turn into mega-mergers, where corporations have so much power /monopoly.
but with Communism yr potential is crushed 'for the common good',
the 'individual potential' of each, & of your Country is undermined. (& u still have masters....!).
Not really the 'free' republic that was imagined..? imo.

I don't agree. Many scientists and artists and workers worked very hard in the USSR and achieved magnificent success - such as putting the first man in space, housing tens of millions of people, providing a high level of health service and education. You shouldn't imagine that if society is not going to hand the keys to the kitty over to you because you "invent" something like Facebook, that human potential is crushed.
 

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I don't agree. Many scientists and artists and workers worked very hard in the USSR and achieved magnificent success - such as putting the first man in space, housing tens of millions of people, providing a high level of health service and education. You shouldn't imagine that if society is not going to hand the keys to the kitty over to you because you "invent" something like Facebook, that human potential is crushed.
Yes but the reality is that country's do not exist in isolation no matter how hard the country's leaders try to make it that way. Even if a country is self sufficient which is unlikely to be the case exchanges and trade still can and do happen. It is under these circumstances that the country's true wealth is deciphered. How much goods and services from one country are valued by another country deciphers the exchange rate between those two currencies (although nowadays it is how much the currency itself is valued deciphers the exchange rate). It is a matter of need and even a country with every type of resource in it they could want is still dependent on foreign oil the USA. So it has to engage with the world and trade. The same goes for Russia and food. Every country has a need from abroad to help it compete throughout the ages. Having a good health system and flourishing arts scene is not sufficient to go into isolation and cutting off a populace from the rest of the world stifles this competition. They don't hand over the keys because they end up wanting to enrich themselves at the expense of the peoples who end up with no social mobility, no professional mobility and nothing on the store shelves when wanting to buy the basics for survival. These "leaders" are willing to have the people they serve die of starvation rather than doing the dieing themselves.
 

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Yes but the reality is that country's do not exist in isolation no matter how hard the country's leaders try to make it that way. Even if a country is self sufficient which is unlikely to be the case exchanges and trade still can and do happen. It is under these circumstances that the country's true wealth is deciphered. How much goods and services from one country are valued by another country deciphers the exchange rate between those two currencies (although nowadays it is how much the currency itself is valued deciphers the exchange rate). It is a matter of need and even a country with every type of resource in it they could want is still dependent on foreign oil the USA. So it has to engage with the world and trade. The same goes for Russia and food. Every country has a need from abroad to help it compete throughout the ages. Having a good health system and flourishing arts scene is not sufficient to go into isolation and cutting off a populace from the rest of the world stifles this competition. They don't hand over the keys because they end up wanting to enrich themselves at the expense of the peoples who end up with no social mobility, no professional mobility and nothing on the store shelves when wanting to buy the basics for survival. These "leaders" are willing to have the people they serve die of starvation rather than doing the dieing themselves.

The USSR never lived in isolation. It was always very internationalist. And the starvation came to Russia when Capitalism was imposed on it in the 1990s. There was a de facto famine that cost at least a million lives under the Yeltsin régime.
 

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I don't agree. Many scientists and artists and workers worked very hard in the USSR and achieved magnificent success - such as putting the first man in space, housing tens of millions of people, providing a high level of health service and education. You shouldn't imagine that if society is not going to hand the keys to the kitty over to you because you "invent" something like Facebook, that human potential is crushed.

?? many artists etc were hounded by the establishment in the USSR..... for daring to express their 'individuality', & not conforming, some had to escape or 'defect'.
but agree some succeeded, eg dancers, + science, health, education, but they had masters, hoarding the wealth for themselves, & running the show.
This is a long conversation.. but i take what u said on board..
& facebook is turning out to be a spying/collection of data/ banking, operation. (imo), & not to be trusted.
 
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