Lenin on the Fake Lefties that pose as Marxists in Europe today

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I was just listening to this recording of Lenin's The State and Revolution, and it struck me that Lenin could have been talking about Richard Boyd Barrett and all the rest of the Gaystapo Fake Lefties that pose as Marxists - but are really nothing but bourgeois Liberals, who ignore what disturbs the Oligarchs - such as defending the wages and conditions of native workers - and promote what the Oligarchs want promoted, i.e. mass immigration, homosexuality, turning children into trannies, etc. etc.

What is now happening to Marx's theory has, in the course of history, happened repeatedly to the theories of revolutionary thinkers and leaders of oppressed classes fighting for emancipation. During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander. After their death, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names to a certain extent for the “consolation” of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping the latter, while at the same time robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and vulgarizing it. Today, the bourgeoisie and the opportunists within the labor movement concur in this doctoring of Marxism. They omit, obscure, or distort the revolutionary side of this theory, its revolutionary soul. They push to the foreground and extol what is or seems acceptable to the bourgeoisie.

Yes, Dear Lenin, how true. True in your day, and a million times more so today.

http://www.marxistsfr.org/audiobooks/archive/lenin/1917/staterev/ch01.mp3

The State and Revolution — Chapter 1
 
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I was just listening to this recording of Lenin's The State and Revolution, and it struck me that Lenin could have been taking about Richard Boyd Barrett and all the rest of the Gaystapo Fake Lefties that pose as Marxists - but are really nothing but bourgeois Liberals, who ignore what disturbs the Oligarchs - such as defending the wages and conditions of native workers - and promote what the Oligarchs want promoted, i.e. mass immigration, homosexuality, turning children into trannies, etc. etc.

What is now happening to Marx's theory has, in the course of history, happened repeatedly to the theories of revolutionary thinkers and leaders of oppressed classes fighting for emancipation. During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander. After their death, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names to a certain extent for the “consolation” of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping the latter, while at the same time robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and vulgarizing it. Today, the bourgeoisie and the opportunists within the labor movement concur in this doctoring of Marxism. They omit, obscure, or distort the revolutionary side of this theory, its revolutionary soul. They push to the foreground and extol what is or seems acceptable to the bourgeoisie.

Yes, Dear Lenin, how true. True in your day, and a million times more so today.

http://www.marxistsfr.org/audiobooks/archive/lenin/1917/staterev/ch01.mp3

The State and Revolution — Chapter 1
It's interesting stuff Tadhg. I've communicated with a number of communist types since I've read your perspective but I haven't been able to persuade any of them that open-borders and mass immigration is not something their heroes supported. I don't know why there isn't a debate among them on this subject.
 

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It's interesting stuff Tadhg. I've communicated with a number of communist types since I've read your perspective but I haven't been able to persuade any of them that open-borders and mass immigration is not something their heroes supported. I don't know why there isn't a debate among them on this subject.
I got told on Politics.ie that because of the fact that I want "Gangsta Rap" banned in Ireland I cannot be a Socialist.

The thing is that we have to acknowledge something about our people- they are one of the least politically minded people in the world which would fine if there was a good willed proper Monarchy or Dictatorship but the problem is that our people are also love in with the idea of "Democracy" (my sister calls me an English Fascist while claiming that she is an "Ulster Democrat"- however she is the one supportive of riots to over turn to Democratic decision, so figure that out). Anyone who is a Trotskyite is so because they are silly gobshytes or they are actually evil people. Most "communist types" in Ireland are Trotskyites. The vast bulk of them unlike Trots elsewhere are though just utter gobshytes as opposed to anything more sinister. It is interesting to me that the "Establishment" seems to have more fear of the Shinners than they do of PBP/Solidarity.
 

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I got told on Politics.ie that because of the fact that I want "Gangsta Rap" banned in Ireland I cannot be a Socialist.

The thing is that we have to acknowledge something about our people- they are one of the least politically minded people in the world which would fine if there was a good willed proper Monarchy or Dictatorship but the problem is that our people are also love in with the idea of "Democracy" (my sister calls me an English Fascist while claiming that she is an "Ulster Democrat"- however she is the one supportive of riots to over turn to Democratic decision, so figure that out). Anyone who is a Trotskyite is so because they are silly gobshytes or they are actually evil people. Most "communist types" in Ireland are Trotskyites. The vast bulk of them unlike Trots elsewhere are though just utter gobshytes as opposed to anything more sinister. It is interesting to me that the "Establishment" seems to have more fear of the Shinners than they do of PBP/Solidarity.
I'd say the Shinners will form a coalition with the alphabet socialists as soon as they get the chance.
Gangsta rap would be a bit hard to define, wouldn't it?
I'd like the same freedom of speech laws the US has, myself.
 

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I'd say the Shinners will form a coalition with the alphabet socialists as soon as they get the chance.
Gangsta rap would be a bit hard to define, wouldn't it?
I'd like the same freedom of speech laws the US has, myself.
Most Gaels would be in agreement with you on that so you realistically would have more luck achieving such than I would bringing in the type of censorship I desire.

The nearly all of the genre of "hip hop" is completely vile. When I was a teen I went out with this lad who was incredibly handsome, he had the most spine tingling gorgeous curly blonde hair and awe inspiring blue eyes. He was the most physically beautiful human I have ever seen with my eyes in real life. The thing was that he listened to this disgusting rap music and because of that I had to break it off with him after not that long a period. However I'm grateful for the experience because I learned from it just how utterly evil this "music" is. Anyway I define it simply as "hip hop" music that encourages drug abuse, criminality and misogyny.
 

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I'd say the Shinners will form a coalition with the alphabet socialists as soon as they get the chance.
Gangsta rap would be a bit hard to define, wouldn't it?
I'd like the same freedom of speech laws the US has, myself.
This is true but the Shinners are awful gobshytes. They measure themselves against Ulster Unionism and Loyalism and because of that they believe that they are oh so sophisticated. Ideally after the war Sinn Fein/Irish Republicanism should have developed into something like the Syrian Social Nationalist Party but instead....
 
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It's interesting stuff Tadhg. I've communicated with a number of communist types since I've read your perspective but I haven't been able to persuade any of them that open-borders and mass immigration is not something their heroes supported. I don't know why there isn't a debate among them on this subject.

They get their ideas from Disney movies rather than Marx. That's the basic problem.
 

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They'd be Western Europeans I presume K.

Southern Americans, Eastern Europeans & Asian Communists are mostly sound
 
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Lenin meant that the views of revolutionary theorists like Marx (or today Guevara) are essentially distorted to fit a "pacifist, harmless liberal perspective".
Last time I checked most marxists in first world countries are not in favor of identity politics and they definitely try to defend first world wages.
What makes you think we aren't?
 
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Lenin meant that the views of revolutionary theorists like Marx (or today Guevara) are essentially distorted to fit a "pacifist, harmless liberal perspective".
Last time I checked most marxists in first world countries are not in favor of identity politics and they definitely try to defend first world wages.
What makes you think we aren't?

Depends on what you call a Marxist. The SWP call themselves Marxists, but they are in favour of mass immigration which undermines the wages of the native workers and drives up home prices and rents.
 
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Depends on what you call a Marxist. The SWP call themselves Marxists, but they are in favour of mass immigration which undermines the wages of the native workers and drives up home prices and rents.
Surely from a Marxist point of view this is a good thing as it brings the final crisis of capitalism and its demise ever closer?
 
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Surely from a Marxist point of view this is a good thing as it brings the final crisis of capitalism and its demise ever closer?

How does it bring the crisis of Captialism to a close to give the Capitalists endless supplies of cheap immigrant labour and high rents?
 
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