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UK General Election 2019 Labour attack Boris Johnson over his possibly anti-Semitic novel.

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Historically, these Tories have always despised the Jews - but needed their money. Churchill is a typical case in point. As a young man he made many viciously antisemitic speeches and in typical right wing gobshite style blamed them for the Revolution in Russia. However, by the 1930s, he was unemployed and hugely in debt. When certain Jewish financiers agreed to pay off his debts and keep him in the luxury he wanted to be accustomed to - he suddenly became a willing running dog of Zionist ambition.
 
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Historically, these Tories have always despised the Jews - but needed their money. Churchill is a typical case in point. As a young man he made many viciously antisemitic speeches and in typical right wing gobshite style blamed them for the Revolution in Russia. However, by the 1930s, he was unemployed and hugely in debt. When certain Jewish financiers agreed to pay off his debts and keep him in the luxury he wanted to be accustomed to - he suddenly became a willing running dog of Zionist ambition.
Something that you have to remember about Churchill is that he was a raving alcoholic, I don't know if you have ever been around an alcoholic but if you have you will see how this explains a lot about his career, and on top of this he could have easily had other personality disorders which fed and exacerbated these. I am not sure that people such as him actually believe in anything. In regards to the Russian Revolution, while the Rurik Tsars were among the greatest Christian rulers ever, the Romanovs apart from three at most were very often awful, and since Tsar Peter the Great or Tsar Peter the Snake as he is also known in Russia alienated themselves from Russianess and the Russian people to a large extent- they also after abolishing the Patriarchate subjugated the Orthodox Church to basically the role of a Protestant "State Church" (or indeed the Catholic Hierarchy in present day Ireland) and infact Peter but also some after him had plans to basically turn Russia Lutheran, these plans were finally shelved after the Decemberist revolt. So it's roots are actually pretty deep in Russian history. The Bholseviks of course had no time at all for what we would now call "Jewish Identity Politics" and were fanatically even at times opposed to the "Jewish Socialist Bund" which was allied with the Mensheviks and not just the Zionists and the Orthodox (who at this point in history were very much at each other's throats), however the off spring of lower middle class bright Jews who had very many opportunities blocked to them by the Tsarist regime did play a disproportionate role in the leader of the Bholseviks hence all the stuff about the Revolution being a Jewish conspiracy which continues on today. It has to said though that Trotsky's not just disdain but outright hatred of the peasantry which did lead to many excesses in the Civil War did come from his Jewish background.
 

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You're in error.
He went thru the rather cumbersome process of renouncing US citizenship years ago.

I note that none of our own political class in a similar situation--Cuffe, Zappone etc--took such a decisive step.
He renounced it because the Yanks were taxing him as an American citizen. Mammon not decency.
 
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Historically, these Tories have always despised the Jews - but needed their money. Churchill is a typical case in point. As a young man he made many viciously antisemitic speeches and in typical right wing gobshite style blamed them for the Revolution in Russia. However, by the 1930s, he was unemployed and hugely in debt. When certain Jewish financiers agreed to pay off his debts and keep him in the luxury he wanted to be accustomed to - he suddenly became a willing running dog of Zionist ambition.
England we have to remember has changed massively since World War II. Two points that have to be kept in mind that since that war ended we have seen Britain reduced to vassalage across the spheres to the United States, Enoch Powell is primarily remembered for his stance on mass immigration but actual at the central core of his politics was opposition to this process which reached a devastating total victory under the horrific reigns of Margaret Thatcher and Tony Blair both of whom were more than obedient lap dogs of the United States in more ways than one. Along side this you have the collapse of Classical Anglicanism, reading T.S. Elliot's "The Idea of a Christianity Society" and looking at England as she exists today it seems utterly utopian but back when it was written it came across as practical suggestions in many ways or at least an ideal that was somewhat within reach (I stll think it is worth reading). In England today you have more practicing Catholics than you have actually even somewhat observant members of the Church of England, and more "Dissenter" Evangelicals Protestants also (some of whom are Yankified trashy types and some of whom are deeply serious, sincere and devout people). Within the Church of England itself those we actually believe in the Religious understanding of the Anglican Divines tend to be either of Afro-Caribbean, Ulster Scot or even Welsh descent rather than being strictly English- of course the former two groups have tendencies to be quite different indeed than indigenous Englishness- things are different though in the "Continuing Anglican" Churches which are traditionalist schisms from the Church of England, they do tend to be largely actual English however they also tend towards snobbish pretentiousness and pompous play acting. I am not sure how much you can be a Tory in the true historical sense without being a Classical Anglican.

Boris Johnson to me has nothing Tory about him. I remember listening to a youtube video a while back with a Toryish English Catholic convert who was advocating disturbutism but who talked about his time in the Conservative Party and he basically summed up the average member that he encountered as heartless, ethically nihilistic all over the shop and little or no intellectual concerns. I would see Boris John as akin to Eoghan Murphy rather than Viscount Lymington, Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington, or indeed D'Israeli.D'Israeli was very much a Tory hero, and despite his anti-Catholic and anti-Irish bigotry there were geniunely great things about the man. Maybe it might be better though to say that Eoghan Murphy is akin to Borris Johnson. D'Israeli of course came from a Jewish background. In a lot of contemporary it is often a case that people think that you have to see yourself as absolutely equal or else you hate them- I admit that I do look down on Baptists, but I am ready to admit virtues in a Baptist, actually I think the serious ones do have a lot of virtues for all their silliness, and if a Baptist shows none of the typical Baptist silliness I will be happy to acknowledge that fact. The general of view of Jews by Tories in general in 18 th and 19 th century England was that they were Philistines (consider the Rabbinic bans of secular art and learning outside of medicine), effeminate and a little shifty when it came to money (this came primarily out of the Rothschilds spreading false rumours during the Napoleonic wars in order to make a killing on the stock market). This was nothing like the anti-Semitism that existed in France during the 19 th century or the anti-Semitism which existed in the more hard core elements of the Volisch movement in Germany. In Eastern Europe the situation was again different- this comes into things in England towards the end of the 19 th century however it would take to long to explain. The reason Lord Rothschild supported Zionism was not out of Zionist convictions but rather because he wanted somewhere for Eastern European Jews that was not Western Europe, and in particular not England, where they would could easily cause trouble for him, and the likes of him.
 
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Historically, these Tories have always despised the Jews - but needed their money. Churchill is a typical case in point. As a young man he made many viciously antisemitic speeches and in typical right wing gobshite style blamed them for the Revolution in Russia. However, by the 1930s, he was unemployed and hugely in debt. When certain Jewish financiers agreed to pay off his debts and keep him in the luxury he wanted to be accustomed to - he suddenly became a willing running dog of Zionist ambition.
Churchill started out as a Whig. Probably in rebellion against his father who has a scumbag that whipped up anti-Catholic bigotry in Belfast and played a huge role in making the violence of the War of Independence and the Troubles an inevitability. Churchill had a very weird relationship with Dev who he rightly saw as his superior, he would ring up Dev drunk basically looking for some type of approval from him but Dev was having none of it and saw Churchill essentially as a manifestation of everything that was sick in the soul of England, understandably, the English do need to ask themselves serious questions about how he could get where he got there without of course neurotically beating themselves like the Germans do over Hitler.

The thing is though that Southern Irish self proclaimed Anglophiles will a pound to a penny see Churchill as vastly superior to Dev, despite the former's understanding that he was a worm and a not a man compared to Eamon De Valera (that could seen as damning with faint praise but though he had some serious failings I never the less believe that Dev was a great man). The thing is that all Anglophilia I have encountered in the South, apart from possibly one person, when scratched comes down to vulgar anti-Irish Republicanism. Conor O'Brien actually banged on about a United Ireland until the bullets started flying and you know the rest of the story. Both Clanrickard and "Anglophile"/Tele think Thatcher and Blair were wonderful creatures altogether, despite the grevious damage they did to England- but the thing is they were loyal slaves of the United States who seemed to find serving it almost orgasmic.
 
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