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Justin Barrett - National Party Easter Address 2021

Feb 2, 2020
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Philip Maguire. Yes he's in the party, there's videos of him on some threads speaking on homeless, at the location of same. One of him big talking in his car, with gaurds at a checkpoint. Another of him outside the makeshift mosque. And other ones.
Thank's. Had a look at a couple of his videos. He seems like a decent fella. Actually, they make a good pair really. He appeals to the urban side, Barret the rural. It may not seem like it but they are two different worlds, with different mindsets and different needs.
 

Max the Axe

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It is all a bit unfair on the NP. They are trying their best. The real tragedy is those who are up to the job have other agendas.
 

Bob Emmet Wolfe

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He appeals to the urban side, Barret the rural. It may not seem like it but they are two different worlds, with different mindsets and different needs.
It can be seen that way urban and rural approach, is all its about, on the surface. And do grasp the different needs. Thats not im getting at.

It's the different mindsets and needs of the two of them is what im getting at.

Watch the vid of him outside the mosque and listen carefully to all he says and information he is giving and would appeal to certain sections of the public.
See what ya think.
 

Esto Praesidium

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Your crowd were, and are, a running joke.

SF were, to borrow D4's phrase, a micro cult.
These "legendary efforts" are the very stuff of cultism.

SF were so desperate that they put prisoners, on hunger strike, up for election :rolleyes:
Pathetic strategy on so many levels.

Gobshites such as you and some others here scorn political parties you call micro cults.
They weren't even the main party using the name "Sinn Féin" in those days.
 

RealMcCoy

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It is all a bit unfair on the NP. They are trying their best. The real tragedy is those who are up to the job have other agendas.

If your best isn't good enough figure out a way to be better. Unless we do it's the dustbin of history for us.

My second biggest problem with the NP is Barrett clearly never learns. My biggest problem is that his supporters seem incapable of figuring out he never learns.
 

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RealMcCoy

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THis is probably the major problem with regards to Barrett. The Irish system of accountabiltiy is taking the piss. This is something which has apparently being lost over time. Other nations have very convuluted ways of holding people to account involving governmental systems and legal process. It's way easier if youjust take the piss. Do you think Martin and Paschal would have a leg to stand on if we did?

That's how you learn, your'e doing it wrong, do it better. How can I know? Because your being mocked. Nobody wants to be mocked publicly so it forces you to figure out a way of doing things well so you won't be.

Unfortunately in the modern day we have defenders. Call them spin merchants or advisers. Hell that's not even enough, our great and good have co-opted the entire media.

By defending Barrett your not helping him. You think you are and by default you feel you're defending Ireland but in actual fact you're doing the exact opposite.

This is Ireland. We have our own way of doing things. Stop trying to copy others and then get confused and angry when it doesn't work.
 

Max the Axe

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If your best isn't good enough figure out a way to be better. Unless we do it's the dustbin of history for us.

My second biggest problem with the NP is Barrett clearly never learns. My biggest problem is that his supporters seem incapable of figuring out he never learns.
Perhaps the NP is currently too small to learn. The wisdom of crowds is predicated on having a crowd.


SF were always a joke political party, Esto.

The attempts at revisionism and rehabilitation on this thread about what SF were and about what SF are, are hilarious as they are pathetic.

SF were never nationalist, and are not nationalist, for reasons cited earlier Justin Barrett - National Party Easter Address 2021

No they were not. The WP/OIRA wing had definite potential when they got up to 7 or so seats. G2 types got Vincent Brown to do a major number on them and their secret cells in the Irish Times and RTE were unearthed, in part at least.
Interestingly, de Rossa and others were allowed win lucrative court cases, much like PSF today.
If the game (note the word) is winning seats, then WP/OIRA and PSF/PIRA have a lot to teach folk currently behind the 8 ball.
 

Max the Axe

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THis is probably the major problem with regards to Barrett. The Irish system of accountabiltiy is taking the piss. This is something which has apparently being lost over time. Other nations have very convuluted ways of holding people to account involving governmental systems and legal process. It's way easier if youjust take the piss. Do you think Martin and Paschal would have a leg to stand on if we did?

That's how you learn, your'e doing it wrong, do it better. How can I know? Because your being mocked. Nobody wants to be mocked publicly so it forces you to figure out a way of doing things well so you won't be.

Unfortunately in the modern day we have defenders. Call them spin merchants or advisers. Hell that's not even enough, our great and good have co-opted the entire media.

By defending Barrett your not helping him. You think you are and by default you feel you're defending Ireland but in actual fact you're doing the exact opposite.

This is Ireland. We have our own way of doing things. Stop trying to copy others and then get confused and angry when it doesn't work.

You thin a few serfs sniggering between themselves with obscure in jokes worries the powers? The dogs bark and the gravy train trundles on.
 

RealMcCoy

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You thin a few serfs sniggering between themselves with obscure in jokes worries the powers? The dogs bark and the gravy train trundles on.

Thats what you call bad form. Sniggering away between yoursevelve are you? No, don't want to say what your sniggering about? Typical

Big difference between that and pisstaking in public. And when say pisstaking I mean no badness. If there's badness behind it then your just a Dolly Parton fan.

Justin has being protected from that from the likes of James, and to be honest I think he'd be way better off if he wasn't. He shows flashes of the good Irish leader know and then but certain people have built a ring of defence around him.

And while I certainly don't disagree it was done for honourable reasons it's monstrously counterproductive.

Because youre basing your actions on continental best practice. And we're not continentals.
 

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Perhaps the NP is currently too small to learn. The wisdom of crowds is predicated on having a crowd.




No they were not. The WP/OIRA wing had definite potential when they got up to 7 or so seats. G2 types got Vincent Brown to do a major number on them and their secret cells in the Irish Times and RTE were unearthed, in part at least.
Interestingly, de Rossa and others were allowed win lucrative court cases, much like PSF today.
If the game (note the word) is winning seats, then WP/OIRA and PSF/PIRA have a lot to teach folk currently behind the 8 ball.

Workers Party are not SF.

Between you, D4 and that other clown troll - you're either being disingenuous or stupid in this pathetic attempt at revisionism.

SF was Rory Brady etc. SF split into two.
Adams/McGuinness got the bigger slice of the split, and Brady got the smaller slice.
Neither part of the split had managed to get even one TD elected (except for prisoners, on hunger strike, in a different jurisdiction). :rolleyes:

It wasn't until 1997 that SF managed to get a candidate elected who wasn't a (1) prisoner (2) on hunger strike (3) living in this jurisdiction, since 1969.


If you know your history, you'd know that there was no love lost between Ross/McGill/Gimmemore and Adams/McGuinness etc.
 

Bob Emmet Wolfe

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It is a holy and a wholesome thing to be prepared.

Ultimately it's the people's fault.



It's pointless, to me, arguing a way around this electorally, outside a revolution of thought. That's our only hope and it needs to happen fast
Yes, deflection is finished. We change as a collective mindset or goodbye Eire forever. Screaming at a corrupt government, immigrants, the old man down the road with the wooden leg etc. is not ever going to change our circumstances.

Everything this society has swept under the carpet since the inception of the state, well there simply no room for any more. That bulge in the carpet is about to burst.
And we will be skinned like rabbits if we refuse to adapt and find productive ways around the hard choices that will be forced upon us.

If anyone thinks there gonna ride the storm out in a hidden sheeban to preserve and reflect back on the good ol days of Irish wallyism, they in for a big land. Unless it's hidden underground covered in reinforced concrete and all patrons promise to keep its location secret. Call me a skeptic, can't see this idea working out.
 
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