John Bruton - 1916 not needed and shouldn't be glorified

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[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]FORMER TAOISEACH JOHN Bruton has claimed that Irish independence would have been achieved without the 1916 Rising, saying the event should not be glorified.[/font]


[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]His comments come as the country prepares to mark the 100th anniversary of the Rising next year, with commemorative events beginning in January.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif][font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]In an interview with UTV Ireland[/font] this week, Bruton claimed that independence from the United Kingdom would have bee[/font][font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]n achieved through constitutional means, without the need for violence, albeit not as quickly.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]“If we hadn’t had the rebellion, we probably would have proceeded – maybe not quite as quickly – to full independence by constitutional methods,” he said.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]He said the enactment of Home Rule had provided legislative independence and there was, in his view, no need for the war of independence which followed the Rising.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]“Looking back at Irish history, Home Rule was enacted two years before the Rising in Dublin and was already on the statute book and was going to come into effect anyway.[/font]
[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif][font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]So there was probably, in my view, no need at all for the killing that took place between 1916 and 1923.[/font][/font]
[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]“Of course we must commemorate and remember the heroism and the sacrifice of the people who rose in 1916,” he said.[/font]
[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif][font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]But we shouldn’t glorify it. We should remember that most of the things that were really important – the reform of the Land Laws, the achievement of legislative independence – were already achieved without 1916.[/font][/font]

http://www.thejournal.ie/john-bruton-1916-2511419-Dec2015/


Has Mr Bruton dared to say what many will deny?

Was the war unneeded and would Ireland have  independence today?

You have to look at History to of the British isles to see what we may have become today, I personally think like Scotland we would have similar powers and like Scotland we would have had a referendum on our independence.  But would we have chosen to stay or remain part of the UK?
 
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Rick said:
[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]FORMER TAOISEACH JOHN Bruton has claimed that Irish independence would have been achieved without the 1916 Rising, saying the event should not be glorified.[/font]


[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]His comments come as the country prepares to mark the 100th anniversary of the Rising next year, with commemorative events beginning in January.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif][font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]In an interview with UTV Ireland[/font] this week, Bruton claimed that independence from the United Kingdom would have bee[/font][font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]n achieved through constitutional means, without the need for violence, albeit not as quickly.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]“If we hadn’t had the rebellion, we probably would have proceeded – maybe not quite as quickly – to full independence by constitutional methods,” he said.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]He said the enactment of Home Rule had provided legislative independence and there was, in his view, no need for the war of independence which followed the Rising.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]“Looking back at Irish history, Home Rule was enacted two years before the Rising in Dublin and was already on the statute book and was going to come into effect anyway.[/font]
[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]“Of course we must commemorate and remember the heroism and the sacrifice of the people who rose in 1916,” he said.[/font]


http://www.thejournal.ie/john-bruton-1916-2511419-Dec2015/


Has Mr Bruton dared to say what many will deny?

Was the war unneeded and would Ireland have  independence today?

You have to look at History to of the British isles to see what we may have become today, I personally think like Scotland we would have similar powers and like Scotland we would have had a referendum on our independence.  But would we have chosen to stay or remain part of the UK?
 
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Rick said:
[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]FORMER TAOISEACH JOHN Bruton has claimed that Irish independence would have been achieved without the 1916 Rising, saying the event should not be glorified.[/font]


[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]His comments come as the country prepares to mark the 100th anniversary of the Rising next year, with commemorative events beginning in January.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif][font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]In an interview with UTV Ireland[/font] this week, Bruton claimed that independence from the United Kingdom would have bee[/font][font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]n achieved through constitutional means, without the need for violence, albeit not as quickly.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]“If we hadn’t had the rebellion, we probably would have proceeded – maybe not quite as quickly – to full independence by constitutional methods,” he said.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]He said the enactment of Home Rule had provided legislative independence and there was, in his view, no need for the war of independence which followed the Rising.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]“Looking back at Irish history, Home Rule was enacted two years before the Rising in Dublin and was already on the statute book and was going to come into effect anyway.[/font]
[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]“Of course we must commemorate and remember the heroism and the sacrifice of the people who rose in 1916,” he said.[/font]


http://www.thejournal.ie/john-bruton-1916-2511419-Dec2015/


Has Mr Bruton dared to say what many will deny?

Was the war unneeded and would Ireland have  independence today?

You have to look at History to of the British isles to see what we may have become today, I personally think like Scotland we would have similar powers and like Scotland we would have had a referendum on our independence.  But would we have chosen to stay or remain part of the UK?
 
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Rick said:
[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]FORMER TAOISEACH JOHN Bruton has claimed that Irish independence would have been achieved without the 1916 Rising, saying the event should not be glorified.[/font]


[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]His comments come as the country prepares to mark the 100th anniversary of the Rising next year, with commemorative events beginning in January.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif][font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]In an interview with UTV Ireland[/font] this week, Bruton claimed that independence from the United Kingdom would have bee[/font][font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]n achieved through constitutional means, without the need for violence, albeit not as quickly.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]“If we hadn’t had the rebellion, we probably would have proceeded – maybe not quite as quickly – to full independence by constitutional methods,” he said.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]He said the enactment of Home Rule had provided legislative independence and there was, in his view, no need for the war of independence which followed the Rising.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]“Looking back at Irish history, Home Rule was enacted two years before the Rising in Dublin and was already on the statute book and was going to come into effect anyway.[/font]
[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]“Of course we must commemorate and remember the heroism and the sacrifice of the people who rose in 1916,” he said.[/font]


http://www.thejournal.ie/john-bruton-1916-2511419-Dec2015/


Has Mr Bruton dared to say what many will deny?

Was the war unneeded and would Ireland have  independence today?

You have to look at History to of the British isles to see what we may have become today, I personally think like Scotland we would have similar powers and like Scotland we would have had a referendum on our independence.  But would we have chosen to stay or remain part of the UK?
 
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Rick said:
[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]FORMER TAOISEACH JOHN Bruton has claimed that Irish independence would have been achieved without the 1916 Rising, saying the event should not be glorified.[/font]


[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]His comments come as the country prepares to mark the 100th anniversary of the Rising next year, with commemorative events beginning in January.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif][font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]In an interview with UTV Ireland[/font] this week, Bruton claimed that independence from the United Kingdom would have bee[/font][font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]n achieved through constitutional means, without the need for violence, albeit not as quickly.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]“If we hadn’t had the rebellion, we probably would have proceeded – maybe not quite as quickly – to full independence by constitutional methods,” he said.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]He said the enactment of Home Rule had provided legislative independence and there was, in his view, no need for the war of independence which followed the Rising.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]“Looking back at Irish history, Home Rule was enacted two years before the Rising in Dublin and was already on the statute book and was going to come into effect anyway.[/font]
[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]“Of course we must commemorate and remember the heroism and the sacrifice of the people who rose in 1916,” he said.[/font]


http://www.thejournal.ie/john-bruton-1916-2511419-Dec2015/


Has Mr Bruton dared to say what many will deny?

Was the war unneeded and would Ireland have  independence today?

You have to look at History to of the British isles to see what we may have become today, I personally think like Scotland we would have similar powers and like Scotland we would have had a referendum on our independence.  But would we have chosen to stay or remain part of the UK?
 
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Bruton is a fat, useless traitor who wishes he was "Sir" John Bruton and that Irish Independence never happened. Ireland would not have gained its independence from the UK. It is easy to see why servile idiots like Bruton long for some country to look up to while they remain on their knees.
 

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Ditchley House

The Ditchley Foundation based at Ditchley Park near Chipping Norton, Oxfordshire, aims to promote international understanding and relations, especially Anglo-American relations, through a programme of around twelve annual conferences on matters of international interest. The foundation was established in 1958 by Sir David Wills, descendant of the tobacco importing family, W. D. & H. O. Wills of Bristol. [1]
At each conference, around forty international invitees are drawn from senior levels of politics, business, the armed forces, media, and academia. The current director is Sir John Holmes GCVO, KBE, CMG,[2] former British diplomat, and recently Under-Secretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs and Emergency Relief Coordinator at the United Nations, New York.
Discussion at each two-day conference begins with all members present, before participants divide into three sub-groups, each having its own chairman and rapporteur to summarise proceedings. Proceedings end with one more conference-wide session. Discussions are private and non-attributable, under the Chatham House Rule, but a full account is produced by the Director, and posted on the Foundations website.
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  • The Rt Hon Lord (George Islay MacNeill) Robertson of Port Ellen, KT, GCMG, PC, Hon FRSE is the current Chairman of The Ditchley Foundation. He is also Deputy-Chairman of TNK-BP. He was NATO Secretary General from 1999-2003 and UK Defence Secretary from 1997-1999.

Current Governors[edit]
See The Ditchley foundation governors for a full list of current Governors.
The list below includes some current, but many former Governors.

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[font='Open Sans', sans-serif][size=small] icon1.png  John Bruton's Report from The Trilateral Commission - Crisis is an Opportunity[/font][/size]
Straight from his gig with the Trilateral Commission in Dublin 8th May, John Bruton has set out his stall for Europe -

Cuts in wages and services to bring us to a level competitive with present conditions in China and centralised EU economic budgetary controls, with the minimum of additional EU democracy - you go, boy!

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...270130013.html


Europe has a single currency and that is unlikely to change any time soon. The disciplines imposed by the present crisis may be a help in giving governments the courage and the space to deal with long-term financial problems at the same time as they deal with the short-term cash-flow problem. Action on the one will help with the other. For example, raising the pension age saves money in both the short term and in the long term. And it is easier to make unpopular decisions in a crisis.
Last edited by C. Flower; 11-05-2010 at 09:36 AM.
I could go on re Mr Bruton's CV...
 
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Rick said:
[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]FORMER TAOISEACH JOHN Bruton has claimed that Irish independence would have been achieved without the 1916 Rising, saying the event should not be glorified.[/font]


[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]His comments come as the country prepares to mark the 100th anniversary of the Rising next year, with commemorative events beginning in January.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif][font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]In an interview with UTV Ireland[/font] this week, Bruton claimed that independence from the United Kingdom would have bee[/font][font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]n achieved through constitutional means, without the need for violence, albeit not as quickly.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]“If we hadn’t had the rebellion, we probably would have proceeded – maybe not quite as quickly – to full independence by constitutional methods,” he said.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]He said the enactment of Home Rule had provided legislative independence and there was, in his view, no need for the war of independence which followed the Rising.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]“Looking back at Irish history, Home Rule was enacted two years before the Rising in Dublin and was already on the statute book and was going to come into effect anyway.[/font]
[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]“Of course we must commemorate and remember the heroism and the sacrifice of the people who rose in 1916,” he said.[/font]


http://www.thejournal.ie/john-bruton-1916-2511419-Dec2015/


Has Mr Bruton dared to say what many will deny?

Was the war unneeded and would Ireland have  independence today?

You have to look at History to of the British isles to see what we may have become today, I personally think like Scotland we would have similar powers and like Scotland we would have had a referendum on our independence.  But would we have chosen to stay or remain part of the UK?
Isn't revisionism great? Let's just remind ourselves, again, that Ireland had been fighting for home rule (within the UK I might add) almost as soon as the Act of Union had been forced onto us, fighting almost peacefully I'd add. But once we actually did rise up with arms we achieved independence OUTSIDE the UK within a few years. Violence works! Just ask the Provos.

Normally the right wing in a particular country is strongly nationalistic and proud of its patriotic dead. But the right wing in Ireland are embarrassed of Irish nationalism, independence and freedom from England.

FG here sees Britain as a place to look to with admiration and seek Ireland become "like the British". Why is this? Why can't Ireland have a centre right that is proud of Irish nationalism and not embarrassed by our patriotic dead?

And Bruton is a gobshite who should do everyone a favour and piss off to England where he can bow to the Kraut queen all he wants.
 
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Rick said:
[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]FORMER TAOISEACH JOHN Bruton has claimed that Irish independence would have been achieved without the 1916 Rising, saying the event should not be glorified.[/font]


[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]His comments come as the country prepares to mark the 100th anniversary of the Rising next year, with commemorative events beginning in January.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif][font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]In an interview with UTV Ireland[/font] this week, Bruton claimed that independence from the United Kingdom would have bee[/font][font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]n achieved through constitutional means, without the need for violence, albeit not as quickly.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]“If we hadn’t had the rebellion, we probably would have proceeded – maybe not quite as quickly – to full independence by constitutional methods,” he said.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]He said the enactment of Home Rule had provided legislative independence and there was, in his view, no need for the war of independence which followed the Rising.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]“Looking back at Irish history, Home Rule was enacted two years before the Rising in Dublin and was already on the statute book and was going to come into effect anyway.[/font]
[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]“Of course we must commemorate and remember the heroism and the sacrifice of the people who rose in 1916,” he said.[/font]


http://www.thejournal.ie/john-bruton-1916-2511419-Dec2015/


Has Mr Bruton dared to say what many will deny?

Was the war unneeded and would Ireland have  independence today?

You have to look at History to of the British isles to see what we may have become today, I personally think like Scotland we would have similar powers and like Scotland we would have had a referendum on our independence.  But would we have chosen to stay or remain part of the UK?
Isn't revisionism great? Let's just remind ourselves, again, that Ireland had been fighting for home rule (within the UK I might add) almost as soon as the Act of Union had been forced onto us, fighting almost peacefully I'd add. But once we actually did rise up with arms we achieved independence OUTSIDE the UK within a few years. Violence works! Just ask the Provos.

Normally the right wing in a particular country is strongly nationalistic and proud of its patriotic dead. But the right wing in Ireland are embarrassed of Irish nationalism, independence and freedom from England.

FG here sees Britain as a place to look to with admiration and seek Ireland become "like the British". Why is this? Why can't Ireland have a centre right that is proud of Irish nationalism and not embarrassed by our patriotic dead?

And Bruton is a gobshite who should do everyone a favour and piss off to England where he can bow to the Kraut queen all he wants.
 
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Rick said:
[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]FORMER TAOISEACH JOHN Bruton has claimed that Irish independence would have been achieved without the 1916 Rising, saying the event should not be glorified.[/font]


[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]His comments come as the country prepares to mark the 100th anniversary of the Rising next year, with commemorative events beginning in January.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif][font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]In an interview with UTV Ireland[/font] this week, Bruton claimed that independence from the United Kingdom would have bee[/font][font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]n achieved through constitutional means, without the need for violence, albeit not as quickly.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]“If we hadn’t had the rebellion, we probably would have proceeded – maybe not quite as quickly – to full independence by constitutional methods,” he said.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]He said the enactment of Home Rule had provided legislative independence and there was, in his view, no need for the war of independence which followed the Rising.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]“Looking back at Irish history, Home Rule was enacted two years before the Rising in Dublin and was already on the statute book and was going to come into effect anyway.[/font]
[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]“Of course we must commemorate and remember the heroism and the sacrifice of the people who rose in 1916,” he said.[/font]


http://www.thejournal.ie/john-bruton-1916-2511419-Dec2015/


Has Mr Bruton dared to say what many will deny?

Was the war unneeded and would Ireland have  independence today?

You have to look at History to of the British isles to see what we may have become today, I personally think like Scotland we would have similar powers and like Scotland we would have had a referendum on our independence.  But would we have chosen to stay or remain part of the UK?
Isn't revisionism great? Let's just remind ourselves, again, that Ireland had been fighting for home rule (within the UK I might add) almost as soon as the Act of Union had been forced onto us, fighting almost peacefully I'd add. But once we actually did rise up with arms we achieved independence OUTSIDE the UK within a few years. Violence works! Just ask the Provos.

Normally the right wing in a particular country is strongly nationalistic and proud of its patriotic dead. But the right wing in Ireland are embarrassed of Irish nationalism, independence and freedom from England.

FG here sees Britain as a place to look to with admiration and seek Ireland become "like the British". Why is this? Why can't Ireland have a centre right that is proud of Irish nationalism and not embarrassed by our patriotic dead?

And Bruton is a gobshite who should do everyone a favour and piss off to England where he can bow to the Kraut queen all he wants.
 
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Rick said:
[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]FORMER TAOISEACH JOHN Bruton has claimed that Irish independence would have been achieved without the 1916 Rising, saying the event should not be glorified.[/font]


[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]His comments come as the country prepares to mark the 100th anniversary of the Rising next year, with commemorative events beginning in January.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif][font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]In an interview with UTV Ireland[/font] this week, Bruton claimed that independence from the United Kingdom would have bee[/font][font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]n achieved through constitutional means, without the need for violence, albeit not as quickly.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]“If we hadn’t had the rebellion, we probably would have proceeded – maybe not quite as quickly – to full independence by constitutional methods,” he said.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]He said the enactment of Home Rule had provided legislative independence and there was, in his view, no need for the war of independence which followed the Rising.[/font]

[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]“Looking back at Irish history, Home Rule was enacted two years before the Rising in Dublin and was already on the statute book and was going to come into effect anyway.[/font]
[font=Georgia, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]“Of course we must commemorate and remember the heroism and the sacrifice of the people who rose in 1916,” he said.[/font]


http://www.thejournal.ie/john-bruton-1916-2511419-Dec2015/


Has Mr Bruton dared to say what many will deny?

Was the war unneeded and would Ireland have  independence today?

You have to look at History to of the British isles to see what we may have become today, I personally think like Scotland we would have similar powers and like Scotland we would have had a referendum on our independence.  But would we have chosen to stay or remain part of the UK?
Isn't revisionism great? Let's just remind ourselves, again, that Ireland had been fighting for home rule (within the UK I might add) almost as soon as the Act of Union had been forced onto us, fighting almost peacefully I'd add. But once we actually did rise up with arms we achieved independence OUTSIDE the UK within a few years. Violence works! Just ask the Provos.

Normally the right wing in a particular country is strongly nationalistic and proud of its patriotic dead. But the right wing in Ireland are embarrassed of Irish nationalism, independence and freedom from England.

FG here sees Britain as a place to look to with admiration and seek Ireland become "like the British". Why is this? Why can't Ireland have a centre right that is proud of Irish nationalism and not embarrassed by our patriotic dead?

And Bruton is a gobshite who should do everyone a favour and piss off to England where he can bow to the Kraut queen all he wants.
 
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John Brutal is appalling.
How many pensions does he receive from & in respect of a state he doesn't recognise?