Jim Dowson's 'Síol na hÉireann' scheme exposed by The Burkean

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Why did Yellow Vests allow McConnell and his colleagues lead the march on Saturday?

I found it very odd - a group espousing an in your face traditional Irish Catholic Nationalism leading a march of Yellow Vest Ireland that Glenn Miller said was neither left, right or centre.

Just asking.
The fact that Dowson wanted his puppet at the Yellow Vest march which would have more potential marks rather than backing the brave Tracey O'Mahoney tells you everything you need to know about their character.
 

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These see to be some of the main problems with this emerging dissident front:
Too many Chiefs, not enough Indians.
Complete ideological confusion.
Failure to name the elephant in the room: native demographic collapse and mass immigration.
The usual "first item on the agenda is the split".

You can't build a movement without a vision - and right wing Nationalism has no vision - never had.
 

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These see to be some of the main problems with this emerging dissident front:
Too many Chiefs, not enough Indians.
Complete ideological confusion.
Failure to name the elephant in the room: native demographic collapse and mass immigration.
The usual "first item on the agenda is the split".
I strongly agree. Mass immigration should be the issue around which nationalists in Ireland unite. It’s the issue that the National Party, Irish Freedom Party, Anti-Corruption Ireland and Síol ná hÉireann for the most part agree on. Who is the exception here? The Yellow Vests. Aside from the fact that they agree with (some of) us on Covid, they aren’t nationalists, conservative or right wing at all. Theyre a confused gaggle of conspiracy theorists who have nothing in common with us, and going along with them will get us nowhere. We must create our own movement.
 

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The Yellow Vest are being quite precious. They dont want McConnell and O'Doherty which is understandable for various reasons. But their beef with Gemma seems to be a clash of egos.. which is not enough to make it a movement wide issue.

The YV did let some Mother Earth hippy woman speak at the break where McConnell spoke. She was full of hippy dippy bullshit and to my ears was just as off putting as Niall. They also allowed Palestinian flags to inflitrate the crowd too.. Such hippy bongo/palestinian/celtic tee shirts is a deliberate cancer to a movement.. where their issues start to take equal importance to the central issue. YV would need to avoid those bandwagoners as much as Gemma & Naill.

The YV also claim to be non political which seems to be too flimsy... take off your masks? is that it? is that all you are about? Well you could just not wear a mask.. no parades required. YV could do with becoming political and quickly and get people onto the substantive issues before apathy sets in
 

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I strongly agree. Mass immigration should be the issue around which nationalists in Ireland unite. It’s the issue that the National Party, Irish Freedom Party, Anti-Corruption Ireland and Síol ná hÉireann for the most part agree on. Who is the exception here? The Yellow Vests. Aside from the fact that they agree with (some of) us on Covid, they aren’t nationalists, conservative or right wing at all. Theyre a confused gaggle of conspiracy theorists who have nothing in common with us, and going along with them will get us nowhere. We must create our own movement.
I think you're right. The YV movement seems to be composed of rather naive people who have no idea how the world works but, nevertheless, they intuit that something is seriously wrong. In their confusion, they want to be seen as respectable citizens, which is why they distance themselves from concerns about demography and the Globohomo project. When I hear talk about "admiralty courts", gold tassels on flags and "freemen on the land" I inwardly groan. Basically decent people, but confused and out of their depth.
 

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That's an interesting idea. How do you see that a chara?
America's WASP identity is deep rooted in Scots Presbyterianism. The Ku Klux Klan like the Orange Order is derived from Scottish rite Freemasonry. The Klan was just as likely to target Irish and Southern European Catholics in the Mid West as they were African Americans. Interestingly the two organisations also share Judeo-phillia White Supremacist Jews & the Ku Klux Klan.

Reading the comments on any right wing American website it never ceases to amaze how similar the views of a certain breed of fundamentalist Evangelical Yank on Catholicism and even Irish-Americans is to Loyalism. But then when you remember that America was originally founded by pioneers who's ultra Protestantism was too extreme for even for the English of that period then maybe it isn't that surprising.
 

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America's WASP identity is deep rooted in Scots Presbyterianism. The Ku Klux Klan like the Orange Order is derived from Scottish rite Freemasonry. The Klan was just as likely to target Irish and Southern European Catholics in the Mid West as they were African Americans. Interestingly the two organisations also share Judeo-phillia White Supremacist Jews & the Ku Klux Klan.

Reading the comments on any right wing American website it never ceases to amaze how similar the views of a certain breed of fundamentalist Evangelical Yank on Catholicism and even Irish-Americans is to Loyalism. But then when you remember that America was originally founded by pioneers who's ultra Protestantism was too extreme for even for the English of that period then maybe it isn't that surprising.

Good observation a chara, and we see that Loyalist mentality being expressed on this forum all too often.
 

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America's WASP identity is deep rooted in Scots Presbyterianism. The Ku Klux Klan like the Orange Order is derived from Scottish rite Freemasonry. The Klan was just as likely to target Irish and Southern European Catholics in the Mid West as they were African Americans. Interestingly the two organisations also share Judeo-phillia White Supremacist Jews & the Ku Klux Klan.

Reading the comments on any right wing American website it never ceases to amaze how similar the views of a certain breed of fundamentalist Evangelical Yank on Catholicism and even Irish-Americans is to Loyalism. But then when you remember that America was originally founded by pioneers who's ultra Protestantism was too extreme for even for the English of that period then maybe it isn't that surprising.
Only it is not. You only have to look even half seriously at the history of Appalachia to see that. Or even Shay's Rebellion where the Scots Presbyterians were put down brutally in the North between 1786-1789.
 
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