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Is there anywhere to escape cultural marxism

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Heard of him.
But don't think I've read anything by him.

I've read a few "Dark enlightenment" pieces in the past, so I may have read an essay or two by him and just forgot about it.
I really don't like him. However I have been convinced that he is an important thinker and he is in very many ways where we are going. I don't understand his liking though for Evola outside of Evola's rejection of humanism.
 

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I really don't like him. However I have been convinced that he is an important thinker and he is in very many ways where we are going. I don't understand his liking though for Evola outside of Evola's rejection of humanism.

These days, I tend to take most social commentary with a grain of salt.
 
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That all may be true, but theres no feminism, no 'men need to be better' bolloxology, no alphabet people agenda being pushed.
I'd argue that people (westerners) are more free in Singapore that in the west. Things work, and you can just get on with it. Men get respect for being men, and theres no anti caucasian man agenda.
Ok, and the weather makes a huge difference. People are generally happier. However I will say, after spending a weekend in Singapore, I started getting cabin fever. Malaysia or HK are probably better options in the long term.
I don't know about that. Technology and information it promotes and the changes regard how much a state can enforce its rules will have a large effect on how Singapore changes going forward. ‘I always tried to be correct, not politically correct’: Lee Kuan Yew’s memorable quotes was very good at what he did, good or bad, but as we see in hong kong, people are starting to push back on a lot of issues of late, as in he would likely have a much harder job keeping the peace now if he was to implement what he did in the past. I wouldn't be surprised to see the worm turning in Singapore, but they do many things to stop the poz being imported Internet censorship in Singapore - Wikipedia

At the same time for the past 30 years immigrants are being imported at a much higher rate then population growth, except its still 75% han chinese. We are mirroring them in the worst ways possible, the manly men seem to be the ones we are importing, but we dont have an ethnic superstate to import from and our diaspora are treated like lepers. A lot of this looks like economic driven policies and effects of it and technology to me in the end, the rest is just ways of making people do as you say that have not been made weak by the amenities and distractions. Instead of through outright force, they are using indoctrination and soft power to implement their changes over a longer period, if this is cultural marxism then fine, call it what you want, but maybe the han chinese are better at rejecting liberal sentiments then the europeans, where we seem to be afflicted with pathological altruism, so maybe the differences are genetic, don't know, but they need to keep blocking the porn at the very least.

There's this whole question in the thread regards capitalism and socialism, if private property is a corner stone to capitalism, then the Amish would be more capitalist then most people in Singapore, considering the state owns 90% of the land and develop it with state capital to house 80% percent of the population and owns large amounts of the production, at the very least they are heavily subsidised if you assume long term lease is no different to full ownership. In fact Singapore could be considered socialist in comparison to most western countries. I cannot understand these capitalist versus X debates, as most functional states out there run some form of welfare state along side some form of capitalism. These are all tools to be used, but if you get replaced/planted, its all irrelevant. Im not going anywhere myself, this is my country, and its not marxists this or capitalist that or left or right where I stand, its nationalism versus globalism, the rest follows that, if your foundations aren't solidly national, your open to anything and the damage will be irreversible eventually.
 

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They utilise capital, trade, banking, have private property and pay taxes. They even breed dogs for sale to americans along with furniture and food. What is capitalism to you? They even have tourism to boost trade and finance. Just because they heavily restrict it, does not mean they do not partake in what are considered aspects of capitalism or are involved in the capitalist system of the US. You've gone from not in full blown capitalism to not being capitalist at all. I think they are somewhere in between.

What you're saying there is that the Amish use markets. But, markets and Capitalism are not the same thing. There were markets during Feudalism too. Capitalism is a system that gives the power to change society to those who make profit. This is the definition of Capitalism that Nobel prize winner, Paul Samuelson, gives in his text book "Economics." No other form of society in the history of man has ever done this. The Amish certainly don't.
 

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I don't know about that. Technology and information it promotes and the changes regard how much a state can enforce its rules will have a large effect on how Singapore changes going forward. ‘I always tried to be correct, not politically correct’: Lee Kuan Yew’s memorable quotes was very good at what he did, good or bad, but as we see in hong kong, people are starting to push back on a lot of issues of late, as in he would likely have a much harder job keeping the peace now if he was to implement what he did in the past. I wouldn't be surprised to see the worm turning in Singapore, but they do many things to stop the poz being imported Internet censorship in Singapore - Wikipedia

At the same time for the past 30 years immigrants are being imported at a much higher rate then population growth, except its still 75% han chinese. We are mirroring them in the worst ways possible, the manly men seem to be the ones we are importing, but we dont have an ethnic superstate to import from and our diaspora are treated like lepers. A lot of this looks like economic driven policies and effects of it and technology to me in the end, the rest is just ways of making people do as you say that have not been made weak by the amenities and distractions. Instead of through outright force, they are using indoctrination and soft power to implement their changes over a longer period, if this is cultural marxism then fine, call it what you want, but maybe the han chinese are better at rejecting liberal sentiments then the europeans, where we seem to be afflicted with pathological altruism, so maybe the differences are genetic, don't know, but they need to keep blocking the porn at the very least.

There's this whole question in the thread regards capitalism and socialism, if private property is a corner stone to capitalism, then the Amish would be more capitalist then most people in Singapore, considering the state owns 90% of the land and develop it with state capital to house 80% percent of the population and owns large amounts of the production, at the very least they are heavily subsidised if you assume long term lease is no different to full ownership. In fact Singapore could be considered socialist in comparison to most western countries. I cannot understand these capitalist versus X debates, as most functional states out there run some form of welfare state along side some form of capitalism. These are all tools to be used, but if you get replaced/planted, its all irrelevant. Im not going anywhere myself, this is my country, and its not marxists this or capitalist that or left or right where I stand, its nationalism versus globalism, the rest follows that, if your foundations aren't solidly national, your open to anything and the damage will be irreversible eventually.

Ireland has a mountain to claim to get anywhere near the desirable social order that Singapore has. And the single biggest obstacle we have to achieving that goal is that the middle classes here are terrified that any public housing will lower the demand for property and thus lower their home values. Any politician that suggested a system like Singapore would be branded a new Stalin.
 

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I don't know about that. Technology and information it promotes and the changes regard how much a state can enforce its rules will have a large effect on how Singapore changes going forward. ‘I always tried to be correct, not politically correct’: Lee Kuan Yew’s memorable quotes was very good at what he did, good or bad, but as we see in hong kong, people are starting to push back on a lot of issues of late, as in he would likely have a much harder job keeping the peace now if he was to implement what he did in the past. I wouldn't be surprised to see the worm turning in Singapore, but they do many things to stop the poz being imported Internet censorship in Singapore - Wikipedia

At the same time for the past 30 years immigrants are being imported at a much higher rate then population growth, except its still 75% han chinese. We are mirroring them in the worst ways possible, the manly men seem to be the ones we are importing, but we dont have an ethnic superstate to import from and our diaspora are treated like lepers. A lot of this looks like economic driven policies and effects of it and technology to me in the end, the rest is just ways of making people do as you say that have not been made weak by the amenities and distractions. Instead of through outright force, they are using indoctrination and soft power to implement their changes over a longer period, if this is cultural marxism then fine, call it what you want, but maybe the han chinese are better at rejecting liberal sentiments then the europeans, where we seem to be afflicted with pathological altruism, so maybe the differences are genetic, don't know, but they need to keep blocking the porn at the very least.

There's this whole question in the thread regards capitalism and socialism, if private property is a corner stone to capitalism, then the Amish would be more capitalist then most people in Singapore, considering the state owns 90% of the land and develop it with state capital to house 80% percent of the population and owns large amounts of the production, at the very least they are heavily subsidised if you assume long term lease is no different to full ownership. In fact Singapore could be considered socialist in comparison to most western countries. I cannot understand these capitalist versus X debates, as most functional states out there run some form of welfare state along side some form of capitalism. These are all tools to be used, but if you get replaced/planted, its all irrelevant. Im not going anywhere myself, this is my country, and its not marxists this or capitalist that or left or right where I stand, its nationalism versus globalism, the rest follows that, if your foundations aren't solidly national, your open to anything and the damage will be irreversible eventually.
Brilliant post.
 
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What you're saying there is that the Amish use markets. But, markets and Capitalism are not the same thing. There were markets during Feudalism too. Capitalism is a system that gives the power to change society to those who make profit. This is the definition of Capitalism that Nobel prize winner, Paul Samuelson, gives in his text book "Economics." No other form of society in the history of man has ever done this. The Amish certainly don't.
I know that general definition, but that just means the norm of today and im not sure how your going to change that.

The extremes of capitalism can be tempered, it will still be capitalism, fine but its the dominant system and no other system within the modern world has worked, or has not morphed into such a system, China is capitalist. We need limits on it, and i don't see how this is possible without a nationalist first government. Everything else is just pie in the sky.

The Amish breed puppies solely for selling to the rest of America for profit, I would be very surprised if the richer Amish wouldn't have some level of influence in their community because of it. This wasn't my point regards them anyway, the point was that they can interact with the world and not be over run due to the levels of modernity they allow themselves to interact with, no different to a sovereign nation, its wasn't ment to be a conversation on the amish and their top down makeup, i had posted on that in my own thread.
 
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And just in reference to an earlier example you gave, the coke dealer from the flats whose banging yuppy Sharon would probably destroy her office jockey wimp of a fella in a physical contest.

Are you going to suggest that's not a Darwinian, "law of the jungle" outcome?
sounds like you approve of nasty drug dealers ? The existence of dealers who ply their poisonous trade with impunity is a symptom of a sick (ie Cultural Marxist ) society. How are dealers dealt with by the Authorities in South East Asia ? a far more healthy approach i think you will agree Comrade ?
 

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I know that general definition, but that just means the norm of today and im not sure how your going to change that.

The extremes of capitalism can be tempered, it will still be capitalism, fine but its the dominant system and no other system within the modern world has worked, or has not morphed into such a system, China is capitalist. We need limits on it, and i don't see how this is possible without a nationalist first government. Everything else is just pie in the sky.

The Amish breed puppies solely for selling to the rest of America for profit, I would be very surprised if the richer Amish wouldn't have some level of influence in their community because of it. This wasn't my point regards them anyway, the point was that they can interact with the world and not be over run due to the levels of modernity they allow themselves to interact with, no different to a sovereign nation, its wasn't ment to be a conversation on the amish and their top down makeup, i had posted on that in my own thread.

I don't want to harp on about the Amish example, but you've hit the nail on the head there. In Capitalism, those Amish who are profitably breeding dogs would be able to completely restructure all of Amish life for the purposes of dog breeding. They would also be able to bring in non-Amish labour. And then they would demand that Amish customs and religious laws be kept private and out of the public domain in case it might upset their Muslim, Hindu, Catholic, etc. labour. In short, profitable dog breeding would be more important than being Amish.

For that reason, I'd question your assertion that Capitalism has ever worked anywhere. If the only purpose is profit, then it often has worked in various places. But at what price?
 

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sounds like you approve of nasty drug dealers ? The existence of dealers who ply their poisonous trade with impunity is a symptom of a sick (ie Cultural Marxist ) society. How are dealers dealt with by the Authorities in South East Asia ? a far more healthy approach i think you will agree Comrade ?
I'm merely pointing out that aggressive alpha male types are more likely to thrive and survive in the "law of the jungle" context which you seem to lionise.

Comrade? I'd be considered as fiscally rightwing by most.

You're not some paragon of "Darwinian" prowess.
You're a sickly milksop who wouldn't survive without air conditioned offices and well stocked supermarkets.
 
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sounds like you approve of nasty drug dealers ? The existence of dealers who ply their poisonous trade with impunity is a symptom of a sick (ie Cultural Marxist ) society. How are dealers dealt with by the Authorities in South East Asia ? a far more healthy approach i think you will agree Comrade ?

You'll find that Marxist régimes are the toughest on drug dealing.
 
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