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Is Ashkenazi Jewry part of the "West"/European Civilization?

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In reality, most of the Jews, including Trotsky, were in the Mensheviks - or else in the Liberal Parties that had carried out the February Revolution. They only came over to the Bolsheviks when it was clear the Bolsheviks were going to win. The Bolsheviks were much more Native Russian in their membership and make up than the Liberal parties, and came from the underground Russian agrarian terrorist tradition - which the Jews hated, not least because much of this terrorism had been directed at them. The real Jewish plot was for the Liberal parties to take over - and sell Russia to British, i.e. Jewish Finance.

The bottom line is that the Tsarist system was very very sick and corrupt and was about to be taken over by British and French finance. The Bolsheviks were the only group in Russia that had the balls to stop that happening. If Stalin had lived a little longer, the Jewish Problem in the party would have been solved once and for all - and we would still have the Soviet Union today.
 

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In reality, most of the Jews, including Trotsky, were in the Mensheviks - or else in the Liberal Parties that had carried out the February Revolution. They only came over to the Bolsheviks when it was clear the Bolsheviks were going to win. The Bolsheviks were much more Native Russian in their membership and make up than the Liberal parties, and came from the underground Russian agrarian terrorist tradition - which the Jews hated, not least because much of this terrorism had been directed at them. The real Jewish plot was for the Liberal parties to take over - and sell Russia to British, i.e. Jewish Finance.

The bottom line is that the Tsarist system was very very sick and corrupt and was about to be taken over by British and French finance. The Bolsheviks were the only group in Russia that had the balls to stop that happening. If Stalin had lived a little longer, the Jewish Problem in the party would have been solved once and for all - and we would still have the Soviet Union today.
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Isn't it interesting how you admire Hitler so much despite his distain for Stalin, a wee bit mixed up there old bean.
 

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Isn't it interesting how you admire Hitler so much despite his distain for Stalin, a wee bit mixed up there old bean.

Not at all. One can admire aspects of both Hitler and Stalin. Indeed, Hitler came to greatly admire Stalin and regretted that they had not worked together. What a blissful heaven Europe would be today if that had come to pass.
 

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Not at all. One can admire aspects of both Hitler and Stalin. Indeed, Hitler came to greatly admire Stalin and regretted that they had not worked together. What a blissful heaven Europe would be today if that had come to pass.
Yes blissful for maniacs that kill millions at a whim. The rest of the population would be living in fear. All these socialists idiotic projects included secret police and homicidal leaders.
 
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The Bolsheviks WERE the agents of Jewish finance.
.The Rurik Tsars were among the greatest Christian rulers ever however the Romanov ones were often awful- particularly those who are especially admired in the West such as Tsar Peter the Great and Tsarina Catherine the Bloody. I am not a fan at all of early Bolshevikism, and yes Jews were massively over-represented in it's leadership, but that said you have to consider the fact of how easily the Stalin faction was able to overcome and politically liquidate the Trotskyites.
 
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Yes blissful for maniacs that kill millions at a whim. The rest of the population would be living in fear. All these socialists idiotic projects included secret police and homicidal leaders.
I don't know if you are Setantawatch who was I am pretty sure a Yemenite Palestinian Jew who I was quite fond of but who could be very aggravating at times. The above post though would make people believe that you are- I am not saying that you are but on the off chance that you are him I am going to respond to you. One of the things that really infuriated me about Trotskyites when I first encountered them was this notion of theirs that under "real Socialism" all problems would somehow magically disappear which though I was and am a Socialist as someone with ingrained Calvinistic views on human nature I found totally off the wall.

The Zionist colonial project from 1948 to 1977 was a prime example of Socialism functioning with a ton of dysfunctions and immense injustices. During the Nabka the Revisionists carried out just one massacre however Mapai carried multiple ones which is why I cannot stand people who yearn for the days of Ben Gurion when for all his faults Bibi is much more of a straight forward character and much less a man of blood. Do you know that Mapai placed the indigenous Palestinian population under martial law and operated also death camps for the more unruly of them until 1966? They were also particularly sadistic towards Yemenite Jewry, carrying out gruesome medical experiments on hundreds of it's kids and also telling Yemenite mummies that their babies had died and than farming out the babies to the childless couples of Ashkenaz. And that was on top of the ruthless campaign to utterly destroy Levantine and North African Jewish culture and the massive discrimination against non-European Jewry- one of the things that I agree with Rabbi Meir Kahane on is that that campaign by Mapai is at the root of most of the drug abuse and alcoholism that plagues Jewish society in Palestine.

However look at the Zionist colonial project now- within the Green Line outside of the Gulf States it has the largest gap between rich and poor in the region. Very many of the remaining survivors of Hitler's camps living in Palestine have huge problems just feeding themselves. That is what capitalism has done. This is the thing- you can have Socialism without the likes of Ben Gurion torturing your kids to death, arrogant racism towards you and all the other horrors that went with Mapai.

Vote Balad or Hadash for a Socialist Palestine for all it's inhabitants.
 

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I am beginning to believe all of Europe's problems were amplified by the influence of Hegel, but I may be wrong. The young Hegelians all became an extremely subversive crowd, yet the influence of his detractor only lead to great men - Wagner, Ludwig and Hitler - aside from maybe Nietzsche, who, contrary to popular belief, Hitler only made use of in his oratory and not in Mein Kampf, which is, in my opinion the height of his thought, which preceded the slightly lesser man he went on to become. The closest he ever got to Hegel was the post-Kantian Fichte, under the influence of others, because his emphasis on Nationalism suited Hitler more than Schopenhauer -

Die wohlfeilste Art des Stolzes hingegen ist der Nationalstolz. Denn er verrät in dem damit Behafteten den Mangel an individuellen Eigenschaften, auf die er stolz sein könnte, indem er sonst nicht zu dem greifen würde, was er mit so vielen Millionen teilt. Wer bedeutende persönliche Vorzüge besitzt, wird vielmehr die Fehler seiner eigenen Nation, da er sie beständig vor Augen hat, am deutlichsten erkennen. Aber jeder erbärmliche Tropf, der nichts in der Welt hat, darauf er stolz sein könnte, ergreift das letzte Mittel, auf die Nation, der er gerade angehört, stolz zu sein. Hieran erholt er sich und ist nun dankbarlich bereit, alle Fehler und Torheiten, die ihr eigen sind, mit Händen und Füßen zu verteidigen.

It is clear that much of National-Socialism is a bit bonkers and pretentious - that is to move the crowd. Somewhere in Parerga and Paralipomena Schopenhauer deals very briefly with Politeia and suggests an aristocracy which through its authority relieves the pain of the general folk, which is all that can be done, since life swings between pain and boredom, only to be relieved by music. Wagner leads on from this, amalgamated with Greek tragedy and produces Tristan, which should be Schopenhauer's ideal. If Hitler amalgamated these ideas, together with D'Annunzian Roman aesthetic, it is clear to see that a lot of the stuff he is denigrated for was simply tacked on to get in to office, which is entirely reasonable. The true basis of all of his work was to rejuvenate the German folk through the revitalisation of Greek theatre in the opera of Wagner and thus the galvanisation and only real means of relieving the German folk of their sorrow.
 

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I am beginning to believe all of Europe's problems were amplified by the influence of Hegel, but I may be wrong. The young Hegelians all became an extremely subversive crowd, yet the influence of his detractor only lead to great men - Wagner, Ludwig and Hitler - aside from maybe Nietzsche, who, contrary to popular belief, Hitler only made use of in his oratory and not in Mein Kampf, which is, in my opinion the height of his thought, which preceded the slightly lesser man he went on to become. The closest he ever got to Hegel was the post-Kantian Fichte, under the influence of others, because his emphasis on Nationalism suited Hitler more than Schopenhauer -

Die wohlfeilste Art des Stolzes hingegen ist der Nationalstolz. Denn er verrät in dem damit Behafteten den Mangel an individuellen Eigenschaften, auf die er stolz sein könnte, indem er sonst nicht zu dem greifen würde, was er mit so vielen Millionen teilt. Wer bedeutende persönliche Vorzüge besitzt, wird vielmehr die Fehler seiner eigenen Nation, da er sie beständig vor Augen hat, am deutlichsten erkennen. Aber jeder erbärmliche Tropf, der nichts in der Welt hat, darauf er stolz sein könnte, ergreift das letzte Mittel, auf die Nation, der er gerade angehört, stolz zu sein. Hieran erholt er sich und ist nun dankbarlich bereit, alle Fehler und Torheiten, die ihr eigen sind, mit Händen und Füßen zu verteidigen.

It is clear that much of National-Socialism is a bit bonkers and pretentious - that is to move the crowd. Somewhere in Parerga and Paralipomena Schopenhauer deals very briefly with Politeia and suggests an aristocracy which through its authority relieves the pain of the general folk, which is all that can be done, since life swings between pain and boredom, only to be relieved by music. Wagner leads on from this, amalgamated with Greek tragedy and produces Tristan, which should be Schopenhauer's ideal. If Hitler amalgamated these ideas, together with D'Annunzian Roman aesthetic, it is clear to see that a lot of the stuff he is denigrated for was simply tacked on to get in to office, which is entirely reasonable. The true basis of all of his work was to rejuvenate the German folk through the revitalisation of Greek theatre in the opera of Wagner and thus the galvanisation and only real means of relieving the German folk of their sorrow.

I don't think the Führer just wanted to limit the sorrow of the German folk. He wanted to give them purpose. A people who have a purpose are a joyful people. When the armed struggle was going on in the occupied six counties, the folk on both sides were joyful. It was only after the fake GFA that they became nearly as spiritually destitute as the population in the south - not quite so destitute of course - the memory of struggle is still protecting them.
 
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I'd say Zionism is certainly a Western ideology. It could only have emerged in Europe.
On the subject of Zionism and Europe the leading Palestinian Jewish historian Shlomo Sands (I remember watching a Zionist lecture on youtube about anti-Semitism in contemporary Britain and basically it amounted to them giving about about him and other Post-Zionists being invited to speak at English Universities- people say that Ulster folk and Zionist Jews are obsessed with history, this is not true at all, while Ulster folk, and I am talking about both tribes, are a good bit better, generally both groups are not interested in history at all as such, they are interested in historical myth to back up current beliefs) compared "Israeli" nationalism to Ukrainian nationalism which is equally full of outlandish fantasies and general psychodom- he put this down to both Ukrainians and Palestinian Jewry both being mongrel peoples. The Ukrainians are a mix and gathering of Russians, Khazars, Germans brought over by Catherine the Bloody, Poles and Mongols- very disparate groups- yet they have this fantasy of a Ukrainian nation going back to the Stone Age.

I wouldn't call roc_ and his missus "Israeli" nationalists though. I don't think that they are that concerned at all about goings on within Jewish society in Palestine. They support the Zionist colonial project for the simple reason that they see it as essentially a Shoah survival shelter while at the same time preferring to live among Gaels. I don't blame them for the latter given how after the Bretons non-neurotic Gaels are the most pleasant people probably in the world. However I also think that if people want to live among Gaels than they are duty bound to place the interests of non-neurotic Gaels first. This tragically they do not do and so end up in their self-deluded belief that they are combating anti-Semitism on-line actually increasing it by behaving like a Jew who has walked off the most Jew-baiting page of The Occidental Observer.
 

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I don't think the Führer just wanted to limit the sorrow of the German folk. He wanted to give them purpose. A people who have a purpose are a joyful people. When the armed struggle was going on in the occupied six counties, the folk on both sides were joyful. It was only after the fake GFA that they became nearly as spiritually destitute as the population in the south - not quite so destitute of course - they memory of struggle is still protecting them.
Maybe. I am looking at the influence of Hegel's detractor on Hitler, though and that despite being unread in Hegelian philosophy - which was actually much less scientific than his detractor, even though he called it a science rather idiotically and read at the theologic Jena instead of the scientific Goettingen - still made a better leader than any Marxian or whatever idiot Adorno has set up for us in the twenty-first century.
 
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