"IRISH BEEF WILL BE WIPED OFF THE LANDSCAPE" with JOHN CLAFFEY

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You just cannot help wondering Vlad was shooting his libtard gob off about cutting out red meat until someone reminded him that the FG Country vote is the difference between being in power and oblivion,,

The State simply has to intervene and set up processing plants or in some way take away the power the Goodmans etc have , Irish beef is excellent compared to some of the rubbish out there, You can get two Irish Angus steaks for approx tenner in the butchers/shops, best dinner you will have , bar none,

Destroying the beef market is a quick way of lowering the emissions taxes but I am still very, very skeptical that a Country with such a small population and is perennially Green is really a polluter ? planting broad-leafed trees should have been a priority 20 years ago when things started
to get going in the over -population racket disguised as climate change,

Working with nature and planting millions of broad-leafed trees CAN NEVER be a bad plan , it is dirt cheap, massive long term benefits and from deep roots protecting the soil to the rich oxygen they produce it is criminal it is not a priority,

More Automation will come in farming and food security must be maintained, if mad cow or some other disease hits South America what the fook happens then ??
 

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You just cannot help wondering Vlad was shooting his libtard gob off about cutting out red meat until someone reminded him that the FG Country vote is the difference between being in power and oblivion,,

The State simply has to intervene and set up processing plants or in some way take away the power the Goodmans etc have , Irish beef is excellent compared to some of the rubbish out there, You can get two Irish Angus steaks for approx tenner in the butchers/shops, best dinner you will have , bar none,

Destroying the beef market is a quick way of lowering the emissions taxes but I am still very, very skeptical that a Country with such a small population and is perennially Green is really a polluter ? planting broad-leafed trees should have been a priority 20 years ago when things started
to get going in the over -population racket disguised as climate change,

Working with nature and planting millions of broad-leafed trees CAN NEVER be a bad plan , it is dirt cheap, massive long term benefits and from deep roots protecting the soil to the rich oxygen they produce it is criminal it is not a priority,

More Automation will come in farming and food security must be maintained, if mad cow or some other disease hits South America what the fook happens then ??
Eh, lowering taxes? Are you serious? Those emissions taxes are going nowhere baby, except up.

Ireland is not listed amongst the top polluters:

 

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I see the massive beef processors ramp up the pressure today, laying off thousands of foreign cheap labour, rte plays it's part as usual attempting to blame the farmers, who are being absolutely ridden by the finishers and retailers.
Primetime was appalling.
Very poorly researched and not particularly interested in the predicament of the Irish beef producer's.
And another question never teased out.
How many of the beef processers are also industrial feed lot producer's.
That draw down huge EU subsidies?
A couple of years old but relevant

 
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I have been all over this globe and in my opinion our home grown food is some of the best I have ever eaten.
Croatia, Greece and south of France come close but our food is up there.
If you have eaten bad beef in Ireland then it’s factory farmed which is tough as old boots.
 

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20% of cattle slaughtered are factory owned cattle.

Will continue to increase until its like the chicken farms, all chickens in sheds in Ireland are owned by no more than 3 companies. The farmers are paid to house them, heat them and care for them, the foodstuff and chickens are belong to the factories. In Belgium 80% of cattle killed are factory owned.

The only hope for farmers to make a few quid from cattle is to move away from the grain finishing, very expensive and mostly imported. To do that factories would need to back off on the age profiling of cattle. This was implemented with the blessing of the department of agriculture so that farmers would be forced to sell cattle if they were getting over 30 months regardless of price at the time. The dept. gave them access to the data base so the factories can see the availability of cattle and release cattle from their feedlots to make up for any shortfall in numbers rather than paying a higher price. It also means lighter bones in cattle so less out throw weight for the factories, especially since the bone meal has not real value now.
Farmers have to keep cattle thriving through out winter rather than feeding them a maintenance diet that would keep them in good order but cost less and there would be compensatory growth in the spring time once grass was available.
 
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How have we come to this lads? Now we have other people in other businesses that need us producing good food for them can see the problems wev allowed happen us far clearer than we do! And they see that we have to change to take back control of our livelihoods and our trade before its gone! We are needed as much as ever but we have to make changes to what we do, who we serve, and who and what we work for in future!
For at least 30 years we have been gradually and subtly cajoled by a well designed plan with all kinds of enticements and enforced education into becoming but barely fed hamsters on the big wheel of Goodman, Glanbia, Teagasc, IFA, Bord Bia etc.
The propaganda merchants for our downfall and the corporates wealth were Farmers Journal, Dept of Agriculture, Teagasc, Farm Colleges, IFA, and many others that we now need to stop financially supporting with immediate effect! Our parents and grandparents may have been a long way from Green Certs and Diet Feeders but they owned what they done, it fed their families, they sold their produce to feed their communities and they had respect in the towns and villages where they went to spend their small few bob on essential supplies and the rare day out. We dont even have food security on our own farms anymore never mind the respect of society! Think back to your own childhood farm.
I grew up on a small and humble farm in not the best land in Leitrim in the 60/70s, money was very tight and the work hard, but we had access to enjoying our own milk, beef, lamb, chicken, eggs, potatoes, cabbage, turnips, carrots, parsnips, onions, sprouts, lettuce, rhubarb, apples and plums. We had all our own fodder, turf and sticks and clean water. We rarely ever bought in animals aside from the ram, we were sellers not buyers, that's what production from the ground was all about. How many farms boasting top class stock, sheds, handling facilities, machinery and the loans to match them can boost that level of food security for their family today?
My father never had a bank loan in his life, not because he didn't need one - he was afraid of them holding his few pound never mind his deeds! Yet our small farm was bought by him and Mam from 6 years working as a labourer and a factory worker and saving hard in England. This gave him another set of basic skills enough to do all the building work, aside from the roofing, on the sheds he had to build from scratch.
Now we dont need to go back to how our fathers and grandfathers had to operate, but we need to take a long hard look at how we call ourselves farmers yet have to buy 90% of our food needs in the shop instead of 10%! We need to diversify in small ways so as to feed ourselves first, and to avoid over production of one or two products that are flooding out our markets and allowing ridiculously low pricing. We need to learn the reality of the long term government backed corporate plan - get the beef cattle out, and get the dairy herd up to max, let the suckler men either plant Sitka Spruce right across the country to match the pulp wood processors targets, and the rest can rear dairy beef to allow dairy keep growing and its pretend sustainability. Once you realise that IS the actual plan you boycott it, and start to put an alternative plan in place for our own farms. There are plenty of people out there willing to help show us how we can change the system we know to one that will give us better incomes, job satisfaction and respect. One that produces our own food, our own fodder, top quality clean fed beef, lamb, veg, fruit, hemp, etc for markets specifically sourced to match our produce at a fair price that gives us a real wage. At the same time we use a section of our land in such a way as to make our own farm at least carbon neutral so they cannot continue their bluff about the dairy sectors carbon efficiency and expect us to cover their emissions for them. If we create carbon Sinks through our farming we also get well paid for that service to the state or else we trade its credits on the stock exchange. We have been treated like lepers in society for to long over the practices of a few. Its do or die time now, change or fail. These beef protests are a massive eye opener all around, but WE need to learn now as well as the nation. If we are to survive and beat them, we have to be prepared to play a different game, our new game, not theirs, because small price alterations - which could come sooner than we think, will only be a short term solution designed to keep us running on Larry and Glanbias big wheel of industry profit for your work!
 

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Importing food from half way round the world is a bad for the enviroment. Locally produced food requires less fuel to put on your dinner plate. Quality control is much better and harmful chemicals are strictly controled Brazil for instance uses chemicals banned in the EU.
Not in you think global and regard Ireland as merely as a holding pen for Muslims and Africans. Then you need a lot of cheap food
 

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Gradual insidious destruction of some of the best sustainable natural beef producer's on the planet.
And likewise for milk.
But despite all the soundbite nonsense from political corners.
Sustainable and environmental respect aren't really of significance outside nature reservations.
 

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I wouldn't believe a thing the irish regime tells me, they are proved liars and decisions are always made at the taxpayers and nations expense.
 

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How have we come to this lads? Now we have other people in other businesses that need us producing good food for them can see the problems wev allowed happen us far clearer than we do! And they see that we have to change to take back control of our livelihoods and our trade before its gone! We are needed as much as ever but we have to make changes to what we do, who we serve, and who and what we work for in future!
For at least 30 years we have been gradually and subtly cajoled by a well designed plan with all kinds of enticements and enforced education into becoming but barely fed hamsters on the big wheel of Goodman, Glanbia, Teagasc, IFA, Bord Bia etc.
The propaganda merchants for our downfall and the corporates wealth were Farmers Journal, Dept of Agriculture, Teagasc, Farm Colleges, IFA, and many others that we now need to stop financially supporting with immediate effect! Our parents and grandparents may have been a long way from Green Certs and Diet Feeders but they owned what they done, it fed their families, they sold their produce to feed their communities and they had respect in the towns and villages where they went to spend their small few bob on essential supplies and the rare day out. We dont even have food security on our own farms anymore never mind the respect of society! Think back to your own childhood farm.
I grew up on a small and humble farm in not the best land in Leitrim in the 60/70s, money was very tight and the work hard, but we had access to enjoying our own milk, beef, lamb, chicken, eggs, potatoes, cabbage, turnips, carrots, parsnips, onions, sprouts, lettuce, rhubarb, apples and plums. We had all our own fodder, turf and sticks and clean water. We rarely ever bought in animals aside from the ram, we were sellers not buyers, that's what production from the ground was all about. How many farms boasting top class stock, sheds, handling facilities, machinery and the loans to match them can boost that level of food security for their family today?
My father never had a bank loan in his life, not because he didn't need one - he was afraid of them holding his few pound never mind his deeds! Yet our small farm was bought by him and Mam from 6 years working as a labourer and a factory worker and saving hard in England. This gave him another set of basic skills enough to do all the building work, aside from the roofing, on the sheds he had to build from scratch.
Now we dont need to go back to how our fathers and grandfathers had to operate, but we need to take a long hard look at how we call ourselves farmers yet have to buy 90% of our food needs in the shop instead of 10%! We need to diversify in small ways so as to feed ourselves first, and to avoid over production of one or two products that are flooding out our markets and allowing ridiculously low pricing. We need to learn the reality of the long term government backed corporate plan - get the beef cattle out, and get the dairy herd up to max, let the suckler men either plant Sitka Spruce right across the country to match the pulp wood processors targets, and the rest can rear dairy beef to allow dairy keep growing and its pretend sustainability. Once you realise that IS the actual plan you boycott it, and start to put an alternative plan in place for our own farms. There are plenty of people out there willing to help show us how we can change the system we know to one that will give us better incomes, job satisfaction and respect. One that produces our own food, our own fodder, top quality clean fed beef, lamb, veg, fruit, hemp, etc for markets specifically sourced to match our produce at a fair price that gives us a real wage. At the same time we use a section of our land in such a way as to make our own farm at least carbon neutral so they cannot continue their bluff about the dairy sectors carbon efficiency and expect us to cover their emissions for them. If we create carbon Sinks through our farming we also get well paid for that service to the state or else we trade its credits on the stock exchange. We have been treated like lepers in society for to long over the practices of a few. Its do or die time now, change or fail. These beef protests are a massive eye opener all around, but WE need to learn now as well as the nation. If we are to survive and beat them, we have to be prepared to play a different game, our new game, not theirs, because small price alterations - which could come sooner than we think, will only be a short term solution designed to keep us running on Larry and Glanbias big wheel of industry profit for your work!
When i read that the first thing i think is croke park and the gaa, taking something wonderful and making it into a profit taking exercise eventually to the detriment of the original ideal.
 
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