Ireland has a new political party, Aontú

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Here's a very easy way for new political parties of knowing where to sit on various issues - look at the polls.

Abortion - be pro-choice, like 66% of the electorate.
Immigration - strong borders and no bullshit asylum tolerance, like 79% of the electorate.
Tax policy - Low Taxes policy, it's why FG & FF have always been in government (whether they delivered or not is irrelevant, people vote for the promise).
Spend Policy - Moderate Spending policy, it's why FG & FF have always been in government and also why the left has never gained traction.
Also, taxpayers vote more than the unemployed.
United Ireland policy - no UI until the majority of the North say so, as voted by 94% of the electorate.
Gay Marriage - let people marry who they want, as voted by 62% of the electorate.

Taking a stance on an issue that was decisively defeated in a referendum e.g. abortion, simply means you're party will forever face an uphill battle.
Furthermore, in general elections, voters choose based upon fiscal issues rather than moral ones. Moral issues are left to referendums.

Politics is about getting elected.
Learn from the Gillette ad debacle, never piss off your target audience.
Appeal to a small minority of voters and you'll never get a single seat.

If a party is pro-life and pro-immigration, then they are immediately appealing to just 34% of pro-life voters and 21% of those who voted against the citizenship referendum.
So 34 x 0.21 = just 7.14% of the electorate agree with these two issues together.
The more against the grain you go, the smaller your target audience becomes.
 

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Here's a very easy way for new political parties of knowing where to sit on various issues - look at the polls.

Abortion - be pro-choice, like 66% of the electorate.
Immigration - strong borders and no bullshit asylum tolerance, like 79% of the electorate.
Tax policy - Low Taxes policy, it's why FG & FF have always been in government (whether they delivered or not is irrelevant, people vote for the promise).
Spend Policy - Moderate Spending policy, it's why FG & FF have always been in government and also why the left has never gained traction.
Also, taxpayers vote more than the unemployed.
United Ireland policy - no UI until the majority of the North say so, as voted by 94% of the electorate.
Gay Marriage - let people marry who they want, as voted by 62% of the electorate.

Taking a stance on an issue that was decisively defeated in a referendum e.g. abortion, simply means you're party will forever face an uphill battle.
Furthermore, in general elections, voters choose based upon fiscal issues rather than moral ones. Moral issues are left to referendums.

Politics is about getting elected.
Learn from the Gillette ad debacle, never piss off your target audience.
Appeal to a small minority of voters and you'll never get a single seat.
Any political party that supports killing its own people (i.e uses the baby killing referendum as some kind of positive reference point) is garbage. You need that like a hole in the head.

Also linking referenda to how and what people vote for in political parties is a very weak linking indeed.
 
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Any political party that supports killing its own people (i.e uses the baby killing referendum as some kind of positive reference point) is garbage. You that that like a hole in the head.

Also linking referenda to how and what people vote for in political parties is a very weak linking indeed.
Any political party that actively goes against the wishes of the population is very dangerous.
Like that batty chick who is trying to ride roughshod over the citizenship referendum.
Respecting the wishes of the electorate should be part of the oath of taking office.
 

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Any political party that actively goes against the wishes of the population is very dangerous.
Like that batty chick who is trying to ride roughshod over the citizenship referendum.
Respecting the wishes of the electorate should be part of the oath of taking office.
Killing our future generations could not be more dangerous. That's maxing out on danger. We're a civilisation on a suicide watch. You don't have a nation when it's happily building a pyramid of corpses of its own children under the shopping centre ideology of "choice".

We don't need a collection of unthinking careerist-drones who are just there to flatter whatever chaotic spasm of emotion is afflicting the masses in a moment. We've enough of that type. We need patriots who work for the nationalist interest even if such "ugly truths" invites flak. The men of 1916 weren't slaves to the passions of the masses, their master was the truth. And genuine patriots today must proceed in a similar vein.
 

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Here's a very easy way for new political parties of knowing where to sit on various issues - look at the polls.

Abortion - be pro-choice, like 66% of the electorate.
Immigration - strong borders and no bullshit asylum tolerance, like 79% of the electorate.
Tax policy - Low Taxes policy, it's why FG & FF have always been in government (whether they delivered or not is irrelevant, people vote for the promise).
Spend Policy - Moderate Spending policy, it's why FG & FF have always been in government and also why the left has never gained traction.
Also, taxpayers vote more than the unemployed.
United Ireland policy - no UI until the majority of the North say so, as voted by 94% of the electorate.
Gay Marriage - let people marry who they want, as voted by 62% of the electorate.

Taking a stance on an issue that was decisively defeated in a referendum e.g. abortion, simply means you're party will forever face an uphill battle.
Furthermore, in general elections, voters choose based upon fiscal issues rather than moral ones. Moral issues are left to referendums.

Politics is about getting elected.
Learn from the Gillette ad debacle, never piss off your target audience.
Appeal to a small minority of voters and you'll never get a single seat.

If a party is pro-life and pro-immigration, then they are immediately appealing to just 34% of pro-life voters and 21% of those who voted against the citizenship referendum.
So 34 x 0.21 = just 7.14% of the electorate agree with these two issues together.
The more against the grain you go, the smaller your target audience becomes.
The exception would be UKIP in the UK.

The party had one message for years, eventually, enough people supported them to scare the government and call a referendum. It is also true to say that after the referendum was won they had nowhere else to go and started to pretend to be a wider party, of course, those who had supported them had now gone back to the two traditional parties. The point here though is that a party with one message can make a change over time.
 

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Harris & Co got elected Swearing they would be Pro Life & did the opposite, all of that needs to be factored in.
 

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They are gonna have big problems very quickly if they are letting in unapologetic repealers.

I think Peadar has taken the wind out the party's sails by doing that. It was an unbelievable error for someone who's been in politics for so long. If he really wanted to do that, he should have waited a year or so until the new party beds down. Sowing doubt and conflict among the membership at this very early stage is sheer madness.
 

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Here's a very easy way for new political parties of knowing where to sit on various issues - look at the polls.

Abortion - be pro-choice, like 66% of the electorate.
Immigration - strong borders and no bullshit asylum tolerance, like 79% of the electorate.
Tax policy - Low Taxes policy, it's why FG & FF have always been in government (whether they delivered or not is irrelevant, people vote for the promise).
Spend Policy - Moderate Spending policy, it's why FG & FF have always been in government and also why the left has never gained traction.
Also, taxpayers vote more than the unemployed.
United Ireland policy - no UI until the majority of the North say so, as voted by 94% of the electorate.
Gay Marriage - let people marry who they want, as voted by 62% of the electorate.

Taking a stance on an issue that was decisively defeated in a referendum e.g. abortion, simply means you're party will forever face an uphill battle.
Furthermore, in general elections, voters choose based upon fiscal issues rather than moral ones. Moral issues are left to referendums.

Politics is about getting elected.
Learn from the Gillette ad debacle, never piss off your target audience.
Appeal to a small minority of voters and you'll never get a single seat.

If a party is pro-life and pro-immigration, then they are immediately appealing to just 34% of pro-life voters and 21% of those who voted against the citizenship referendum.
So 34 x 0.21 = just 7.14% of the electorate agree with these two issues together.
The more against the grain you go, the smaller your target audience becomes.
Ever hear of the expression tyranny of the majority?

Pure democracy is basically mob rule.
 

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They are gonna have big problems very quickly if they are letting in unapologetic repealers.
When did Toibin say his new party was going to be explicitly pro-life as supposed to free conscience?

I think people here were seeing what they wanted to see.
 
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