Immigration, Good or Bad ? Open Debate thread.

Una

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I honestly don't understand the left's love of immigration, when it is supposedly the importance of society which underpins leftist politics. They do not seem to understand that a 'society' is not just a random collection of individuals who happen to live in and around the same piece of real estate. It is a group of people with shared values, culture, interests, history and language, and roots in a particular area. To shift large numbers of people from cultures which are certainly exotic and often inimical to the host culture, and then expect a functioning, successful society is asking a lot, particularly when both the amount and the speed of the change is as great as it has been in Britain over the last 30 years and fast happening here in Ireland.

The people who are pro immigration tend to be those who either do not feel it's negative effects - on wages, housing, public services, etc. Thus negative aspects of immigration are socialised, whilst the 'positive' effects - a cheap, mobile labour force - are privatised.

The difficulty is not so much what immigration does to the economy - it is the long-term effect of immigration on the cohesion and self-respect of the indigenous population, especially when the immigrants are reluctant to integrate, or are in overwhelming numbers. Ask a Native American what they think of the benefits of 300 years of uncontrolled immigration. America is richer, but they are poor and marginalised.

Multi-cultural societies are easier for elites to control. A huge number of people in Britain for example now just work ,eat,sleep,pay taxes and send money back to their country of origin. They take no interest in public matters,and the government can do what they like.

Some things are more important than another % on GDP.

Things like social cohesion. A sense of national identity. Getting your child into the local school and then NOT finding that they are in a class where most of the other children are (a) foreign and (b) don't speak English.

Importing millions of unskilled, uneducated/semi-educated immigrants for minimum-wage jobs is not growing our economy.

The lefty students are being brainwashed by jewish control of all media, education, music, hollywood, who use them, & dress it up as 'tolerance' & 'diversity.'
The US flood gates for immigration were opened in 1965, Again by a jewish senator in the senate.
This was all for one reason, the same reason, as today in the EU, to 'dilute' White Christianity, & the core family unit/values, in the US.
They have an absolute hatred of Christ. & spend their money & all their time, trying to 'undo' his work, today, via the 'liberal agenda'.
Bit by bit, they have succeeded in striping away a short christian prayer before class in 1950's America, to banning 'Christ'mas Trees in Airports today,
The White House lawn has a jewish hanukkah placed at xmas, these days.
Interesting book 'The International Jew' by Henry Ford on amazon.

jewish xmas hanukkah on white house lawn - Google Search
 
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One last chance? feckin hell. What more damage do they want him to do? Even then he wont get deported, string it out a few years on European Court of Justice appeals. Maybe he has a cat and needs to remain to look after his cast family.

Munir Ghariani (26) received a suspended sentence last May after admitting to attacking a woman on a street “for the thrill”. :smash2:
"one last chance", lol. reminds me of my good lady mother, chastisin' us kids.
 

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The thing is though that getting rid of the 8 th and massive mass immigration into the ROI will enable Orange rabble rousers when the significant border poll comes.

Certainly. And they will be joined by plenty of Catholics that don't want to be involved in such a disaster. I couldn't, in all honestly, recommend a United Ireland to any Unionist at this point in time.
 
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Certainly. And they will be joined by plenty of Catholics that don't want to be involved in such a disaster. I couldn't, in all honestly, recommend a United Ireland to any Unionist at this point in time.
For selfish reasons I want a united Ireland because being dissolved in the ROI could well make Ulster folk cop on to themselves. However if it means the ROI joining NATO I'm against it. Also the way the EU is going people have rights to be very wary.
 

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For selfish reasons I want a united Ireland because being dissolved in the ROI could well make Ulster folk cop on to themselves. However if it means the ROI joining NATO I'm against it. Also the way the EU is going people have rights to be very wary.
God I hope the EU Blows the F.... UP !
 

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IMO targeted immigration is a good thing. If we can persuade industrialists, scientists, the best doctors and other such professionals to live and work here in numbers which allow for their full integration into Irish culture and society it can only be good for the future of the country.

We definitely do not want to attract the failures, the diseased, the bogus asylum seekers and other criminals from other states to our shores.

To this end there should be some simple rules introduced around illegal asylum seekers. Such as,

A list of countries be compiled which we consider meet international standards and so from which there is no asylum. Automatic and immediate deportation.
You have no more than 72 hours after illegally entering the country to announce your presence and register your claim. If instead the authorities have to find you, you are immediately deported, no discussion.
The applicants should be held in a holding centre pending a decision which, barring exceptional circumstances, should be made within 1 week.
There should be only 1 appeal allowed and If they wish to exercise this they remain in the holding centre pending the outcome which should take no longer than 2 weeks.
Failed asylum seekers should be deported within hours of their appeal failing.
Successful applicants should be given a probationary right to remain. Any felony offence or a few misdemeanours should result in their temporary right to stay being revoked.
The asylum seekers' right to stay should be reviewed periodically to see if the original justification is still valid. For instance there could have been a beneficial change in government in their home country.
 

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IMO targeted immigration is a good thing. If we can persuade industrialists, scientists, the best doctors and other such professionals to live and work here in numbers which allow for their full integration into Irish culture and society it can only be good for the future of the country.

We definitely do not want to attract the failures, the diseased, the bogus asylum seekers and other criminals from other states to our shores.

To this end there should be some simple rules introduced around illegal asylum seekers. Such as,

A list of countries be compiled which we consider meet international standards and so from which there is no asylum. Automatic and immediate deportation.
You have no more than 72 hours after illegally entering the country to announce your presence and register your claim. If instead the authorities have to find you, you are immediately deported, no discussion.
The applicants should be held in a holding centre pending a decision which, barring exceptional circumstances, should be made within 1 week.
There should be only 1 appeal allowed and If they wish to exercise this they remain in the holding centre pending the outcome which should take no longer than 2 weeks.
Failed asylum seekers should be deported within hours of their appeal failing.
Successful applicants should be given a probationary right to remain. Any felony offence or a few misdemeanours should result in their temporary right to stay being revoked.
The asylum seekers' right to stay should be reviewed periodically to see if the original justification is still valid. For instance there could have been a beneficial change in government in their home country.
Problem with taking the highly educated migrants is we rob their countries of highly skilled workers who could and would improve those countries.
 

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Problem with taking the highly educated migrants is we rob their countries of highly skilled workers who could and would improve those countries.
I don't really care about that. We do what is good for our country. I don't see other countries refraining from head hunting our highly trained professionals in case it hurts us.
As a country a large sector of our wealth generation comes from foreign multinationals. If we wish to continue to reap the benefits of this sector we can hardly tell the CEOs of these companies they cannot manage their businesses here in Ireland because they are foreign.
 

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I don't really care about that. We do what is good for our country. I don't see other countries refraining from head hunting our highly trained professionals in case it hurts us.
As a country a large sector of our wealth generation comes from foreign multinationals. If we wish to continue to reap the benefits of this sector we can hardly tell the CEOs of these companies they cannot manage their businesses here in Ireland because they are foreign.
Have you ever watched gumballs video on immigration?

Stealing skilled labour from poorer nations makes long term problems and we will never fix the issues with poor immigrants.

We need to train our own workforce for the skilled jobs.

Madness to have our own nurses working abroad whilst we import nurses from all over the world.