Immigration, Good or Bad ? Open Debate thread.

Tadhg Gaelach

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Exactly, I think the stats already show that despite bias in Germany to employ refugees they simply do not want to work. This ties in with Kershaws thread about them seeing Europe as an ATM.

Swedish national broadcaster: The immigrants see Europe as a big ATM — 90% are economic migrants

Whether they are the best workers in the world or not is beside the point. We don't need or want them here. I would, however, be very willing to help them build up their own countries.
 

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Whether they are the best workers in the world or not is beside the point. We don't need or want them here. I would, however, be very willing to help them build up their own countries.
That there is another problem, for years the west has pumped billions into third world shit holes but the money never actually helps. It always ends up in third world dictators pockets or they just supply aid and not actually help them to help themselves. No wonder they eventually head to there west, they must think we are mad and made of money.

With all the money pumped into Africa we should have irrigated the Sarah now and turned it into the breadbasket of the world.
 

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That there is another problem, for years the west has pumped billions into third world shit holes but the money never actually helps. It always ends up in third world dictators pockets or they just supply aid and not actually help them to help themselves. No wonder they eventually head to there west, they must think we are mad and made of money.

With all the money pumped into Africa we should have irrigated the Sarah now and turned it into the breadbasket of the world.

I understand how you would think that, but it's actually incorrect. The likes of the IMF and World Bank have loaned money to mostly corrupt leaders who usually pocketed the money. In return for these IMF \ World Bank loans these corrupt leaders have promised to Liberalize and privatize their economies. This has been a disaster for Africa, as the private markets in Africa are in no way fit to drive industrial development. So, the end result of these loans has been African countries even poorer than when they started - and now billions in debt. I certainly wasn't suggesting that kind of help, but the real and genuine type of help the Soviet Union and its Socialist allies used to give to Africa and Asia. An example of this is the way the DDR used to bring Vietnamese to East Germany, give them the best training available as engineers, and send them back home. Vietnam was able to borrow capital at very low rates from the USSR. So, between Soviet capital and East German training, Vietnam was able to build up its industry to a very high standard. Even today most Vietnamese engineers learn German - such was the lasting positive influence of the DDR on their country.
 

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3 Reasons Why Immigrants Are Key To Economic Growth

Labor Force Growth: If those who oppose immigration were correct, then Japan, an immigrant-unfriendly country, should be an economic juggernaut. It is not. Japan is facing an economic and demographic crisis. “Japan has the world’s oldest population, as well as a low birth rate and little immigration, but its growth problems go far deeper,” noted a recent analysis by Bloomberg. “In the early 1990s, the country’s postwar growth boom collapsed – decades of deflation followed and Japan started to suffer a shortage of workers.”

In contrast, the National Academy of Sciences concluded, “Immigration supplies workers, which increases GDP [gross domestic product] and has helped the United States avoid the fate of stagnant economies created by purely demographic forces – in particular, an aging (and, in the case of Japan, a shrinking) workforce.”
Entrepreneurship: “The contribution of immigrants to human and physical capital formation, entrepreneurship, and innovation are essential to long-run sustained economic growth,” according to the NAS report.

Despite this recognition of immigrant entrepreneurs, a shortcoming in the National Academy of Sciences report is that at the same time it stated that Americans gain from immigrant entrepreneurship and innovation, it left these out of its numerical calculations. (Much time in the study is spent on the small distribution effects that are conceded to be short-term and focused, to the extent they exist, which itself is a subject of debate, on recent immigrants and natives that did not graduate from high school.)
To give an idea of how large the benefit of immigrant entrepreneurship likely is in America, note that a recent National Foundation for American Policy study of just 87 startup companies valued at $1 billion or more found 44 (more than half) had at least one immigrant founder. Moreover, at $168 billion, the collective value of just these 44 immigrant-founded companies was almost half the value of the stock markets of Russia and Mexico.

Immigrant Noubar Afeyan, CEO of Flagship Ventures, founded or cofounded 38 companies in the United States and has over 100 patents. Indian-born immigrant Jyoti Bansal is the sole founder of AppDynamics, a company employing more than 900 people and valued at $1.9 billion. Yet the National Academy of Sciences calculations imply Noubar and Jyoti would only make an economic contribution to America to the extent they as workers increased the supply of labor. That makes little sense since it ignores the dynamic, job creation (and other) contributions Noubar Afeyan, Jyoti Bansal and other immigrant entrepreneurs make to the U.S. economy.

To place this in a nationwide perspective: “Immigrant business owners make significant contributions to business income, generating $67 billion of the $577 billion in U.S. business income, as estimated from 2000 U.S. Census data,” according to a report by the Small Business Administration. “They generate nearly one-quarter of all business income in California – nearly $20 billion – and nearly one-fifth of business income in New York, Florida, and New Jersey.”
Human Capital: A similar story can be seen with patents and human capital. “Perhaps even more important than the contribution to labor supply is the infusion by high-skilled immigration of human capital that has boosted the nation’s capacity for innovation and technological change,” reported the National Academy of Sciences. But again, no dollar figure is estimated for this benefit. University of Colorado economist Keith Maskus found that for every 100 international students who earn science or engineering Ph.D.'s from American universities, the nation gains an impressive 62 future patent applications.

The bottom line conclusion: “Innovation carried out by immigrants also has the potential to increase the productivity of natives, very likely raising economic growth per capita,” according to the National Academy of Sciences. “In short, the prospects for long run economic growth in the United States would be considerably dimmed without the contributions of high-skilled immigrants.”

3 Reasons Why Immigrants Are Key To Economic Growth
I don’t think many posters know anything about the fundamentals about immigration and the benefits it brings

I think the crux of the matter is that people don't actually care about any economic benefits of immigration

By increasing the population, we therefore increase the GDP by the same amount that each individual immigrant contributes, it ain't rocket science!!!!!
 

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By increasing the population, we therefore increase the GDP by the same amount that each individual immigrant contributes, it ain't rocket science!!!!!
Nigeria has a GDP of 481 billion US dollars. Monaco has a GDP of 6 billion US dollars. Obviously, Monaco needs to import millions of Nigerians so as to improve its living standards :rolleyes:
 
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3 Reasons Why Immigrants Are Key To Economic Growth



I don’t think many posters know anything about the fundamentals about immigration and the benefits it brings

I think the crux of the matter is that people don't actually care about any economic benefits of immigration

By increasing the population, we therefore increase the GDP by the same amount that each individual immigrant contributes, it ain't rocket science!!!!!


I honestly don't understand the left's love of immigration, when it is supposedly the importance of society which underpins leftist politics. They do not seem to understand that a 'society' is not just a random collection of individuals who happen to live in and around the same piece of real estate. It is a group of people with shared values, culture, interests, history and language, and roots in a particular area. To shift large numbers of people from cultures which are certainly exotic and often inimical to the host culture, and then expect a functioning, successful society is asking a lot, particularly when both the amount and the speed of the change is as great as it has been in Britain over the last 30 years and fast happening here in Ireland.

The people who are pro immigration tend to be those who either do not feel it's negative effects - on wages, housing, public services, etc. Thus negative aspects of immigration are socialised, whilst the 'positive' effects - a cheap, mobile labour force - are privatised.

The difficulty is not so much what immigration does to the economy - it is the long-term effect of immigration on the cohesion and self-respect of the indigenous population, especially when the immigrants are reluctant to integrate, or are in overwhelming numbers. Ask a Native American what they think of the benefits of 300 years of uncontrolled immigration. America is richer, but they are poor and marginalised.

Multi-cultural societies are easier for elites to control. A huge number of people in Britain for example now just work ,eat,sleep,pay taxes and send money back to their country of origin. They take no interest in public matters,and the government can do what they like.

Some things are more important than another % on GDP.

Things like social cohesion. A sense of national identity. Getting your child into the local school and then NOT finding that they are in a class where most of the other children are (a) foreign and (b) don't speak English.

Importing millions of unskilled, uneducated/semi-educated immigrants for minimum-wage jobs is not growing our economy.
 

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can't see any good in the likes of this yoke entering the country, why can't we deport this scum,

Sex offender who poses risk to public given ‘one last chance’

Ghariani has 34 previous convictions including one for sexual assault

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One last chance? feckin hell. What more damage do they want him to do? Even then he wont get deported, string it out a few years on European Court of Justice appeals. Maybe he has a cat and needs to remain to look after his cast family.

Munir Ghariani (26) received a suspended sentence last May after admitting to attacking a woman on a street “for the thrill”. :smash2:
 

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3 Reasons Why Immigrants Are Key To Economic Growth


I don’t think many posters know anything about the fundamentals about immigration and the benefits it brings

I think the crux of the matter is that people don't actually care about any economic benefits of immigration

By increasing the population, we therefore increase the GDP by the same amount that each individual immigrant contributes, it ain't rocket science!!!!!

Who says we want to increase the population endlessly? or massively, just to increase the GDP?! while continuing to export 'Irish Youth', Doctors, Nurses, Teachers going to Dubai, Plumbers, & importing replacements, ending up like the UK, & France, with 'densely populated cities', with 'ghettos' & 'no-go' areas..!!! think about it, it ain't rocket science !!!!!!
BESIDES, It has been established at this stage, that it's Globalist 'Coercive Engineered' Migration, backed by Talmudic Jewish Big Bankers (who are Anti-White, & Super Anti Christian).
U may find this hard to believe, but here is the Proof.

"Which Central Banks are NOT owned by the Rothschilds and Rockefellars?" - 'Yahoo! Mail'
http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815
http://www.globalresearch.ca/imperi...ng-the-refugees-transport-into-europe/5504056
The genocidal Kalergi plan to destroy the indigenous nations and peoples of Europe
Norway is TOO WHITE! According to the President of the Jewish Community in Oslo

MEP Nick Griffin speaks at EU Parliament on Pan European Kalergi Plan

 
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