Immigration, Good or Bad ? Open Debate thread.

Tadhg Gaelach

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I am frequently told that Europe stole foreign riches and so it is only right and proper that foreigners should be allowed to mass immigrate here to compensate them. Despite it being often as much lefties that tell us we need mass immigration from the third world for cheap medical staff, they will still use this as a reason that we need to bring their needy too. I don't think it is ethical to poach the third world's medical staff and would prefer to train Irish people up and pay them a decent wage.

Not only that, but we need to start being more selective about who we spend our money on training. These days, anyone who gets high marks in the Leaving Cert. can be accepted to train as a doctor, though, like Varadkar, they may have no aptitude or real interest in being a doctor - Daddy was a doctor and the pay is great. Well, that's not enough of a reason. We need to start choosing youths of high moral fiber and patriotism. Youths who's hearts are burning with a desire to be of service to their nation - and many such youths still do exist. We will never have a decent society while we keep this superstitious reverence for so called "free markets." The free movement of capital and labour is merely a recipe for slavery.
 

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Ideally 50%+ but that figure wouldn't be inflexible.
At least 1 ethnically Irish, Irish born parent would be my criteria.
Having an Irish grandparent shouldn't qualify you for Irish citizenship, but I'd give such individuals higher preference and perhaps a shortened residency requirement for full citizenship.

All Others would be on the basis of cultural compatibility (with other Europeans coming high up the list), then skillsets. I'd give local government a significant say in who gets in and who gets citizenship.
 

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Not only that, but we need to start being more selective about who we spend our money on training. These days, anyone who gets high marks in the Leaving Cert. can be accepted to train as a doctor, though, like Varadkar, they may have no aptitude or real interest in being a doctor - Daddy was a doctor and the pay is great. Well, that's not enough of a reason. We need to start choosing youths of high moral fiber and patriotism. Youths who's hearts are burning with a desire to be of service to their nation - and many such youths still do exist. We will never have a decent society while we keep this superstitious reverence for so called "free markets." The free movement of capital and labour is merely a recipe for slavery.
This is satire - err isn't it?? :fearscream:
 

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Why should we give a phuck about 3rd world sh1tholes?
If they want to retain their best and brightest, they need to buck the phuck up. Develop good institutions of governance and the boffins will stay. Simples.
The average IQ of of sub-Saharan Africans is about 80.
That's well below what is required for a modern civilisation to be maintained.
I watched an interview with Stefan Molyneux and a Dutch professorwho studies IQ and he thinks the Netherlands won't be able to maintain the level of civilisation they have currently into the future as a result of falling IQ rates due to immigration.

African countries have far fewer people with high IQ than European countries so they need these people to stay there and help build and maintain their societies. Tara McCarthy interviewed a Jamaican with an IQ of 160 and he abandoned his people chose to live in homogeneous, high-trust Japan. If all their people with high IQs abandon them, how will their countries ever function?
 

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Not only that, but we need to start being more selective about who we spend our money on training. These days, anyone who gets high marks in the Leaving Cert. can be accepted to train as a doctor, though, like Varadkar, they may have no aptitude or real interest in being a doctor - Daddy was a doctor and the pay is great. Well, that's not enough of a reason. We need to start choosing youths of high moral fiber and patriotism. Youths who's hearts are burning with a desire to be of service to their nation - and many such youths still do exist. We will never have a decent society while we keep this superstitious reverence for so called "free markets." The free movement of capital and labour is merely a recipe for slavery.
Don't want to turn this into a debate on free markets, but you know I think a free-market is necessary so people know the value of things. They drive innovation and it drives people to be successful. However, there is a lot wrong with our current system.
 

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The average IQ of of sub-Saharan Africans is about 80.
That's well below what is required for a modern civilisation to be maintained.
I watched an interview with Stefan Molyneux and a Dutch professorwho studies IQ and he thinks the Netherlands won't be able to maintain the level of civilisation they have currently into the future as a result of falling IQ rates due to immigration.

African countries have far fewer people with high IQ than European countries so they need these people to stay there and help build and maintain their societies. Tara McCarthy interviewed a Jamaican with an IQ of 160 and he abandoned his people chose to live in homogeneous, high-trust Japan. If all their people with high IQs abandon them, how will their countries ever function?
Let the Chinese move in and colonize them. This is already happening.
 

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Appalling in a large scale- zero benefit.

No kind of life for a lot of Immigrants either, from the Irish Homeless in London to "Poles on the Dole" here in Ireland living in Bedsits...
Exactly, although certain amount of East Europeans know they are here to make money then go home to build their house. They know they are here to put up with living with a few of their compatriots in an apt etc until they go home, and most have no problem with it, they have East European colonies here with which they interact, find partners, go to mass etc, most East Europeans especially have great time in their Western colonies here in Ireland.

Same increasingly can be said for Pakistanis, Indians etc, now that they all have substantial sized colonies here in Ireland, where they basically don't have to partake in the Irish society or economy, they can just walk in and live here in their Pakistani colony, increase their colony space and size and have us eventually bow and pander to them, especially when we enter their colony zone.

The increasingly shrinking downside used to be, are we content to cream off the brightest of their countries to have them come here and work in the so-called "jobs the Irish don't want to do". I for one do not want any person working as toilet attendant in our spoilt brat nightclubs. Firstly we don't need toilet attendants, leave the Americana corporatist bullshit in corporatist America. And it is ignoble of us to want immigration and say it is vital to us and say it with a smugness and contentedness merely to have those foreign human beings work in jobs we apparently are too good for....how exactly is that treating anyone with respect.

It also downgrades the character of our own folk, we should be crafting the kind of society that at least the young should be expected to spend some sort of time in jobs which as a career they may not consider, though they are perfectly honourable and may be perfectly suited to different types of people depending on personality, intellect and ability. I personally regard binmen more important than doctors, for without the binmen, all else grinds to a halt and indeed puts our health at risk. Doesn't mean I am suited to it, no more than I want to be a dentist, but I fully recognise it's worth to our society. We always used to do all these jobs before, either being filled by people who were suited to these different types jobs and with plenty of students who did jobs during summer or while studying etc.
 

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Don't want to turn this into a debate on free markets, but you know I think a free-market is necessary so people know the value of things. They drive innovation and it drives people to be successful. However, there is a lot wrong with our current system.

As you say, this is for another thread, but I would say that if you need a market to know the value of something - then it probably doesn't have much value.
 

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They are indeed.

I read reports years ago, that the Africans were saying it was better under the Europeans (probably news passed down from their fathers etc) and were beginning to wish the Europeans were still there. I think it is Chinese and Arabs who are there now, exercising modern commercial colonialism. OpenBorder Extremists seem not to keep abreast of current events.
 

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For the 3rd time - NO THEY ARE NOT IRISH.
Let's say working at jobs requiring a minimum of NFQ level 8 education
Get up the yard, Shane MacGowan is one hundred per cent Irish.
The people that arent Irish are the people who had never heard of Ireland ten years ago who have since turned up to take advantage of it's newfound economic opportunities that have become open to them who have taken out the citizenship that has been thrown around like confetti in the last couple of decades.
 
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