Immigration, Good or Bad ? Open Debate thread.

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I have been having a conversation with several people on my You Tube channel in regards to my You Tube channel.

Its hard to debate on there with the format they have, so this is an open thread for anyone who wants to debate from my channel or immigration in general.
Which is the thread? Is it under a video?
 

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Appalling in a large scale- zero benefit.

No kind of life for a lot of Immigrants either, from the Irish Homeless in London to "Poles on the Dole" here in Ireland living in Bedsits...

That's an excellent point a chara. Naturally enough, we get upset by what mass immigration is doing to Europe, and Ireland in particular. But we also need to focus on how mass immigration destroys the immigrants themselves and their countries.

On an individual basis, each immigrant that settles here has a better life than at home from a purely monetary point of view. They will often get a free house here, free education for their children up to and including university, free health care, and a whole host of other social benefits that would be unthinkable in their own country. But, the downside is that they are permanent aliens. They can never walk down the street and see native people without feeling guilty. In some of them, that guilt turns to anger and hatred of the native people. And when they go home on holiday, they now feel like aliens among their own people too. The entire world has become alien to them. And this alienation and anger then passes on to their children, who are then left with a burning hatred of their host country. Sometimes this hatred takes the form of an Alan Shatter, who abused his position as a government minister to flood Ireland with immigrants, hand out 80,000 Irish passports to people who had no connection with Ireland whatsoever - all in the hope of destroying the native population of Ireland forever. In others, it takes the form of joining radical groups - and eventually carrying out suicide attacks on the native population.

And then we have to consider the destruction that mass emigration does to the countries they come from. We saw how here in Ireland the loss of our youth over many generations put a backward and brain dead régime in Leinster House, that is still wreaking havoc and destruction on our land. Ireland has become a Dictatorship of the Dross. In African and Asian countries this brain drain is even worse. I posted up an article that said that the Philippeans now only has one doctor per 33,000 people. Why? Because they train doctors and nurses - and the likes of Ireland steal them away. India produces over one million engineers every year, at great expense to the poor. And yet, the poor Indians get no return on their investment. Most of these engineers are stolen away by Western countries.

And we see here the utter lies and hypocrisy of the EU régime and its sub-offices, like Leinster House. If they actually wanted to help these countries they could make the hundreds of billions they are wasting on taking in migrants available as investment capital to the countries where the migrants are coming from - and thus not just help a tiny minority but the whole country. How many billions have now been spent on taking in migrants from Libya and Syria? And yet, until the EU and NATO decided to arm and fund Islamic terrorists in those countries, Libya and Syria were two of the most prosperous and stable counties in the world. Far from aiding countries, the EU helps to destroy any country that is starting to prosper.

At the end of the day, we know what all this is about. Europe's population is aging, and that threatens corporate profit. So armies of military age young men must be driven into Europe to keep wages down and rent sky high. The EU is based on psychotic criminal greed - not on humanitarianism.

Further reading,

Immigration is Soul Murder - The Undead
 
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I joined up to discuss politics soon after this site began. When it started to resemble Stormfront part 2 I took a break for several weeks to see if it would recover.

When I came back I found it worse than ever, and has now actually surpassed Stormfront in extremist racist rants, and that it has become totally dominated by a handful of xenophobic moronic fanatics, (half of which I suspect are socks of the one person), some of whom laughably consider themselves to be some kind of intellectual, indulging in round the clock circle jerks and who try to shout down anyone who objects to their hijacking of what was initially a very good alternative to Politics.ie.
Immigration is Europeans' biggest concern, poll finds

Immigration is the most pressing concern for Europeans, overtaking the economic situation and unemployment, according to a new Eurobarometer survey.

Thirty-eight percent of Europeans regard immigration as their main policy priority, the spring Eurobarometer poll published on Friday (31 July) found, a 14 point increase from last autumn.

Migration has been pushed up the political agenda as thousands of migrants from north and sub-Saharan Africa cross the Mediterranean Sea in search of a better life in Europe.

https://euobserver.com/news/129815

Stands to reason it would be a big topic of conversation on an anti-censorship forum.
This isn't the RTÉ forums or boards.ie 2.
 

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Immigration is Europeans' biggest concern, poll finds

Immigration is the most pressing concern for Europeans, overtaking the economic situation and unemployment, according to a new Eurobarometer survey.

Thirty-eight percent of Europeans regard immigration as their main policy priority, the spring Eurobarometer poll published on Friday (31 July) found, a 14 point increase from last autumn.

Migration has been pushed up the political agenda as thousands of migrants from north and sub-Saharan Africa cross the Mediterranean Sea in search of a better life in Europe.

https://euobserver.com/news/129815

Stands to reason it would be a big topic of conversation on an anti-censorship forum.
This isn't the RTÉ forums or boards.ie 2.
I guess that leaves me in the overwhelming majority of 62% who do not obsess about immigration.
 

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I guess that leaves me in the overwhelming majority of 62% who do not obsess about immigration.
You got it wrong there.
The largest share of people thought immigration was the biggest concern.
Others had different concerns at no.1 but immigration might have factored at no.2.
It's a big issue for people much as the establishment would like to deny it.
 

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Immigration is Europeans' biggest concern, poll finds

Immigration is the most pressing concern for Europeans, overtaking the economic situation and unemployment, according to a new Eurobarometer survey.

Thirty-eight percent of Europeans regard immigration as their main policy priority, the spring Eurobarometer poll published on Friday (31 July) found, a 14 point increase from last autumn.

Migration has been pushed up the political agenda as thousands of migrants from north and sub-Saharan Africa cross the Mediterranean Sea in search of a better life in Europe.

https://euobserver.com/news/129815

Stands to reason it would be a big topic of conversation on an anti-censorship forum.
This isn't the RTÉ forums or boards.ie 2.

I'm not in the least bit surprised. I'm sure if you heard a group of Native Americans talking in the late 19th century, their main concern would also be mass immigration. Same with the Native Australians. For years now, the Liberal media has managed to make it taboo to even mention immigration - but if you push people down enough, even mass media taboos will loose their effect and people will start speaking out. I'm sure mass immigration has been the main concern of Europeans for years now, but it's only now they dare to say so publicly.
 

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You got it wrong there.
The largest share of people thought immigration was the biggest concern.
Others had different concerns at no.1 but immigration might have factored at no.2.
It's a big issue for people much as the establishment would like to deny it.
Explain how I got it wrong, 100 - 38 =62. It seems you struggle with maths as much as you struggle with English
 

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Explain how I got it wrong, 100 - 38 =62. It seems you struggle with maths as much as you struggle with English
That 38% of people ranked immigration as their biggest concern, doesn't mean they didn't rank it at no2.
And it doesn't mean they all had the same other concern ranked as no.1.
Plenty of censored forums out there if you prefer those and I know pro-mass immigration people usually do.
This forum is useful because it has an anti-censorship agenda.
 

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That 38% of people ranked immigration as their biggest concern, doesn't mean they didn't rank it at no2.
And it doesn't mean they all had the same other concern ranked as no.1.
Plenty of censored forums out there if you prefer those and I know pro-mass immigration people usually do.
This forum is useful because it has an anti-censorship agenda.

We have a situation in Europe today where if any Nationalist Party knocks on doors they will be greeted by 4 out of 10 people who's main concern is mass immigration. We can be sure that immigration will feature as a main concern of a great many more. It's time to take politics out of the hands of the bourgeois parties.
 

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That 38% of people ranked immigration as their biggest concern, doesn't mean they didn't rank it at no2.
It doesn't mean they did rank it at number 2 either. All we know for sure is that for 62% of people immigration was NOT their main concern.
And it doesn't mean they all had the same other concern ranked as no.1.
???? So what?? It doesn't change the FACT that for 62% of people immigration is NOT their biggest concern.
Plenty of censored forums out there if you prefer those and I know pro-mass immigration people usually do.
This forum is useful because it has an anti-censorship agenda.
I have never supported censorship. I am also dead against mass immigration. All I am suggesting is that these topics be confined to a section of the forum and not be allowed to totally dominate it, by for example, people interjecting racist / xenophobic comments in just about every thread no matter what the subject matter.
 
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