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How will you vote on the Blasphemy Referendum?

How will you vote on the Blasphemy Referendum?

  • Tá / Yes - to change the Constitution

    Votes: 15 32.6%
  • Níl / No - To keep the current Constitution

    Votes: 23 50.0%
  • Cant Vote/Wont Vote

    Votes: 7 15.2%
  • Spoilt Ballot

    Votes: 1 2.2%

  • Total voters
    46
  • Poll closed .

Kershaw

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Anyway, the article they want to remove reads:

"The publication or utterance of blasphemous,seditious or indecent matter is an offence which shall be punishable in accordance with law"

They're just removing the word 'blasphemous' and keeping the rest.
'indecent matter' is open to interpretation.
That means we will be just as censored whether the the word 'blasphemous' is removed or not.

You remember the BIFFO nude painting artist was nearly charged with incitement to hatred.
If you did a version with Mohammed and there's no guarantee you wouldn't be up on charges regardless of what way the referendum goes.

What we need is America's 1st Amendment Rights.
 

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They'll do that through a liberal framing anyway. Liberals get mad when people identify their measures using religious vocabulary such as "blasphemy". For liberals, shielding minority religions is a procedure in secular liberal managerialism. That's why all these liberals want this law gone; it's not some kind of double bluff on their behalf, they want it gone because it makes them look like fools.
Wait now.
Under current law Musloids can obtain a conviction in our courts for blasphemous conduct, publications and utterances etc.
That it has not happened does not mean it can never happen.

The current Irish law was brought in by a cowardly Ahern mainly to appease these Muslim fanatics.
Thats the reality.

Therefore it can be argued that voting to keep it in the constitution is more appeasement.
 
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Wait now.
Under current law Musloids can obtain a conviction in our courts for blasphemous conduct, publications and utterances etc.
That it has not happened does not mean it can never happen.

The current Irish law was brought in by a cowardly Ahern mainly to appease these Musloids fanatics.
Thats the reality.

Therefore it can be argued that voting to keep it in the constitution is more appeasement.
That can be argued but they'd be wrong to argue that.

All that stuff can and will be done under liberal managerialism. That's the route they want.


On the off-chance they use blasphemy to shield Muslims, then at least they'd be honest and they can't pretend that are shielding Muslims because its the secular thing to do.
 

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That can be argued but they'd be wrong to argue that.

All that stuff can and will be done under liberal managerialism. That's the route they want.

On the off-chance they use blasphemy to shield Muslims, then at least they'd be honest and they can't pretend that are shielding Muslims because its the secular thing to do.
My point is that Muslims have the current shield as you admit of the Blasphemy laws.
Voting No permits them retain that shield.

Your other argument about future laws is speculation but in the matter of religion any such laws will not be able to protect any religion from blasphemy including Islam.
Islam is protected now by the Irish constitution.

Removal of the blasphemy article will prevent any protection from blasphemous attacks for Islam or any other religion being enshrined in Irish law
 

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My point is that Muslims have the current shield as you admit of the Blasphemy laws.
Voting No permits them retain that shield.

Your other argument about future laws is speculation but in the matter of religion any such laws will not be able to protect any religion from blasphemy including Islam.
Islam is protected now by the Irish constitution.

Removal of the blasphemy article will prevent any protection from blasphemous attacks for Islam or any other religion being enshrined in Irish law
lol, I stand by my comments.

The Muslim's shield here will be the liberal managerial state; blasphemy doesn't enter into it. The regime here hates religion, they aren't devout Muslims.

Voting Yes is to appease liberals (our actual enemy). Voting to remove a word that's rooted in our religious tradition just to spite the outsider? That's giving Muslims too much power over our thinking. Islamification will be defeated by cutting off the Gulf money and enacting Putin/Obran style anti-NGO laws. Tinkering with minor legalities isn't going to make a difference.

Personally I care about getting patriots into office. If we're spending time out of power, pestering Muslims, then we're wasting our time that could otherwise be spent getting patriots into office.
 
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My point is that Muslims have the current shield as you admit of the Blasphemy laws.
Voting No permits them retain that shield.

Your other argument about future laws is speculation but in the matter of religion any such laws will not be able to protect any religion from blasphemy including Islam.
Islam is protected now by the Irish constitution.

Removal of the blasphemy article will prevent any protection from blasphemous attacks for Islam or any other religion being enshrined in Irish law
This law needs to be defended to proctect religion from Hate speech. It is the same people that supported the abortion and degenerate marriage that are pushing this.
 

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Why can't the Dáil implement "hatespeech" legislation in addition to blasphemy law. What is stopping them?

If it stays, can they not just go ahead regardless?

The blasphemy law is all about protecting Islam. It all depends on above question.
Does removing it allow us criticise robustly Islam?
Does removing it mean that is the only way they will bring in "hatespeech" legislation?

Obviously when the multicult govt and opposition are all gushing and telling us to remove it, as well as one of them stating they intend to put in "hatespeech" legislation - for a modern Ireland, that should be enough to convince anyone, to vote to keep it. That alone is not a certainty though.
 

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Vote yes even if only to stop Muslims having any more influence on Irish affairs.Today Radio 2 discussed this matter,and guess what an unelected muslim was being interviewed,instead of elected representatives of the Irish nation.
 

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This law needs to be defended to proctect religion from Hate speech. It is the same people that supported the abortion and degenerate marriage that are pushing this.
It will be a great asset to the Clonskeagh jihadist holiday camp in the future
when their numbers increase.

Pakistan pointed to Ireland's blasphemy law as an excuse
for having restrictive blasphemy legislation there. Very embarrassing!

Get rid of this nonsense from our constitution then fight any new restrictive hate speech laws too when they are proposed!
 

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This law needs to be defended to proctect religion from Hate speech. It is the same people that supported the abortion and degenerate marriage that are pushing this.
Surely it's the Koran that should be banned it's full of hate.This is the trouble with Islam it wants to rule it wants to govern and lots of unelected Muslims from various commuters,councils,etc. start moaning,they are unelected.If Allah is so all powerful why do its followers need laws to stop them being offended.No modern country needs blasphemy laws it's medieval nonsense.If god is all powerful,all knowing,then god doesn't need protecting and God's followers needn't worry either.So what if they are offended if the blasphemers are that bad then the almighty god will punish them.When the religious can prove anything they believe then let them make the laws but of course they can't.
 

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lol, I stand by my comments.

The Muslim's shield here will be the liberal managerial state; blasphemy doesn't enter into it. The regime here hates religion, they aren't devout Muslims.

Voting Yes is to appease liberals (our actual enemy). Voting to remove a word that's rooted in our religious tradition just to spite the outsider? That's giving Muslims too much power over our thinking. Islamification will be defeated by cutting off the Gulf money and enacting Putin/Obran style anti-NGO laws. Tinkering with minor legalities isn't going to make a difference.

Personally I care about getting patriots into office. If we're spending time out of power, pestering Muslims, then we're wasting our time that could otherwise be spent getting patriots into office.
This is bs.
Sure some money comes from M.East. They do not need that at all to set up here. The Irish state has more to do with funding them than M.East.
They are also a very cohesive community - they pull for each other massively. The main bulk of their money goes to renting and building premises.
Otherwise they need very little. Once here they start popping out Mohammadans and take house by house, street by street etc.

The blasphemy has nothing to do with Christianity - it is all about leveraging Islam.
Islam has far greater agency than liberals - the main Irish enemy are fake-nationalists who have repelled their own people from being allowed follow and support an anti-invasion movement and the media which has prevented the info getting to the public.

After that islam in any country is a far more powerful and insidious force precisely because they know wht they are doing and multiply - it is they who use the liberals, not the other way around.
 
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