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Well if the ruling globohomo regime would like to mix poison into their political cocktail that's their decision. If and when radical Muslims start attacking Dublin's Gay Parade I'm not going to be losing much sleep over that - apart from of course denouncing the murder of any innocent. People talk about foreigners coming here and not behaving themselves, and most often that's Muslims because Muslims have a very elitist view of themselves as being above their infidel neighbours which naturally rubs up natives the wrong way. But I support this attitude in fact. I hope foreigners view the Irish with scorn and let it be known - then maybe Irish people will start copping on and banding together against them. If the foreigners are going to just 'integrate' that'll be the death of our nation. Ireland will be killed with kindness, not in a hellfire of radical Islamic bombings.

Too many of the counter-jihadists merely oppose Muslim immigration because they don't want Muslims to make their own country less liberal. Or at least that's the argument they try and use. In reality I think someone like Geert Wilders is a true believer, he doesn't like that Muslims inevitably will be incredibly conservative and less tolerant of the fruits of Dutch liberalism and therefore wants to oppose it. Someone like Marine Le Pen I think it's more of a strategic decision for her - but certainly the homosexuals she's brought into the FN are the ones who are paranoid of Islam as the bigger threat so they try and turn to the FN as their vindicators - ironic of course since Le Pen the Elder never would've wanted these queers in his party.
The problem with Wilders is that is that he's not a true liberal.
He's a wishy-washy Social Democrat with some anti-Islam thrown in.
Egalitarian libertinism just doesn't cut it in my eyes.

And that's the problem with the West: too few are truly passionate about unleashing individual potential.
No one, at least in the political sphere, is genuinely excited about the future possibilities for humanity, of which there are many -- if only free societies are protected and their liberties enhanced.

The reason I oppose Islam is because I see it as a shackle hobbling human potential.
The reason you and others here oppose it is because you want the country transformed and then frozen in perpetuity into an early 20th century museum piece -- with that other Abrahamic leg Iron, Traditional Catholicism, occupying pride of place.

Where you and others say Padraig Pearce, I say Nietzsche.
Where the likes of Sword would like to see Marian shrines, I'd like to see 30 foot high marble statues honouring Prometheus.

There is a profound, PROFOUND difference between my politics and the politics of the self described conservatives on this forum.
I hadn't quite nailed it down, although I had a strong inkling that it existed.
 

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Mass immigration is totally out of control in the ROI. I want a complete halt to it for anyone.

However it is particularly stupid to invite over Muslims and than promote rabid homosexualism, make out that the indigenous population was the worst of the worst until they discovered Libtardism all the while sucking up to of all people the Egyptian Muslim government- that is just a recipe for disaster which will push Muslim kids growing up here who otherwise would be healthy members of society into the arms of total nutters. So yes given this context I am particularly opposed to Muslim immigration. I think that Colm O' Gorman and Leo Little Girls' Socks have it in them to turn an Ismaili into a Salafi Jihadist.

Another problem with the Counter-Jihad movement is that while we know from studies on identical twins that homosexuality is not genetic a lot of people who practice homosexuality see themselves as basically an ethnic group. I find the majority of Islamic cultures easier to deal with than "gay culture" and it's values. There are a lot of out of control homosexuals in the Counter-Jihad movement.
Which studies?
 

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The problem with Wilders is that is that he's not a true liberal.
He's a wishy-washy Social Democrat with some anti-Islam thrown in.
Egalitarian libertinism just doesn't cut it in my eyes.

And that's the problem with the West: too few are truly passionate about unleashing individual potential.
No one, at least in the political sphere, is genuinely excited about the future possibilities for humanity, of which there are many -- if only free societies are protected and their liberties enhanced.

The reason I oppose Islam is because I see it as a shackle hobbling human potential.
The reason you and others here oppose it is because you want the country transformed and then frozen in perpetuity into an early 20th century museum piece -- with that other Abrahamic leg Iron, Traditional Catholicism, occupying pride of place.

Where you and others say Padraig Pearce, I say Nietzsche.
Where the likes of Sword would like to see Marian shrines, I'd like to see 30 foot high marble statues honouring Prometheus.

There is a profound, PROFOUND difference between my politics and the politics of the self described conservatives on this forum.
I hadn't quite nailed it down, although I had a strong inkling that it existed.
You want to honour a Titan (father of a God) and believe we should follow Nietzsche (God is dead)?

If you want to honour Prometheus you have to go the whole hog, animal sacrifice at the very least - possibly human sacrifice.

I agree that Islam and many religions hobble human potential but they give back social cohesion, stability and purpose - an ultra individualist like yourself probably doesn't appreciate how important social cohesion is. Religion is ultimately about death though, it would have evaporated long before now without death, death - the strangest part of our existence will always keep religion/mystical beliefs with us so the question becomes what kind of religion or metaphysical belief system we use? I personally like the one in Avatar the movie where everything is about recycling, death is needed before there can be new life, 'we are only temporary patrons of the Earth' etc.
 

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You want to honour a Titan (father of a God) and believe we should follow Nietzsche (God is dead)?
Metaphor is clearly lost on yourself.

I agree that Islam and many religions hobble human potential but they give back social cohesion, stability and purpose - an ultra individualist like yourself probably doesn't appreciate how important social cohesion is. Religion is ultimately about death though, it would have evaporated long before now without death, death - the strangest part of our existence will always keep religion/mystical beliefs with us so the question becomes what kind of religion or metaphysical belief system we use? I personally like the one in Avatar the movie where everything is about recycling, death is needed before there can be new life, 'we are only temporary patrons of the Earth' etc.
Don't disagree at all.
Organised religion definitely serves a purpose -- even potholes act as temporary abodes for stagnant rain water.
But when it stifles human potential, it needs to be put in its place.

And humanity's metaphysical needs don't necessarily require organised religion.
In fact, Christianity has decimated much of our accumulated wisdom in this area.
 
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Just saw Wilders and islam in the thread, was in the news recently

A Dutch former far-right MP and right-hand man of anti-Islam politician Geert Wilders has set tongues wagging in the Netherlands after revealing that he has converted to Islam.

Freedom Party (PVV) leader Wilders compared the conversion of ex-ally Joram van Klaveren to a "vegetarian working in a slaughterhouse", media reports said on Tuesday.

For years, Joram van Klaveren fought a relentless campaign in the Lower House against Islam in the Netherlands as a legislator for Wilders' party.

At the time, the "hardliner pleaded for banning the burqa and minarets, saying 'we don't want any Islam, or at least as little as possible in the Netherlands'," the daily tabloid Algemeen Dagblad (AD) said.

But the 40-year-old Van Klaveren said he had changed his mind halfway through writing an anti-Islam book.

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Van Klaveren is not the first high-profile PVV member to convert to Islam. He follows in the footsteps of Arnoud van Doorn, a former Hague-based PVV city councillor who converted in 2013.
Probably a publicity stunt, but thats two that converted, i wonder what the conversion rates outside prison are like over there, but at least 5% of the population of Netherlands is muslim now, ive heard places like amsterdam have become even dodgier, or not like it was.
 

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In fairness, the dirty protest was forced on the prisoners. They weren't allowed out to the toilet unless they wore criminal uniforms. But, I agree with your general point.
It's still unbecoming.
 

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The problem with Wilders is that is that he's not a true liberal.
He's a wishy-washy Social Democrat with some anti-Islam thrown in.
Egalitarian libertinism just doesn't cut it in my eyes.

And that's the problem with the West: too few are truly passionate about unleashing individual potential.
No one, at least in the political sphere, is genuinely excited about the future possibilities for humanity, of which there are many -- if only free societies are protected and their liberties enhanced.

The reason I oppose Islam is because I see it as a shackle hobbling human potential.
The reason you and others here oppose it is because you want the country transformed and then frozen in perpetuity into an early 20th century museum piece -- with that other Abrahamic leg Iron, Traditional Catholicism, occupying pride of place.

Where you and others say Padraig Pearce, I say Nietzsche.
Where the likes of Sword would like to see Marian shrines, I'd like to see 30 foot high marble statues honouring Prometheus.

There is a profound, PROFOUND difference between my politics and the politics of the self described conservatives on this forum.
I hadn't quite nailed it down, although I had a strong inkling that it existed.
I think your perception of what I believe in isn't necessarily true. I don't want to just freeze Ireland in the 1950s eternally. But I suppose you know that and didn't necessarily state it ether.

What would your liberal society look like?
 

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The issue people have with the Hijab or Burka is not sartorial. The headscarves old Irish generation wore did not symbolise what the Hijab symbolises.

You are deluding yourself if you think Muslim women are wearing it completely out of choice - ie that they can choose to wear it or not wear it and suffer no consequences in their families and community. The path to an honour killing is made up of a list of 'transgressions' against the faith and culture and refusing to obey dictates on the Hijab is one of them as shown in at least some news examples.

If it is optional, if the Islamic and cultural mores behind it are defanged completely - i would ignore the issue.

The Islamic view on women has become more or less accepted in Western liberalism which is eventually going to come as a rude shock to native feminists.
That is risible. Also there is not one Islamic view on women- and no Islamic views on women are accepted in Western Liberalism. The thing that challenges the Western Liberal view seriously on all sorts of levels that men and women are basically interchangable is Transgenderism.

The worst group when it comes to honour killings are the Kurds and the Kurds generally do not wear the hijab. The Muslim community I know best is the bourgeois one in England and there you will frequently find parents dead set against the hijab and their kids insisting on wearing it for various reasons (some of them childish and some of them practical- a lot of savage white and black males in England believe they have some divine right to go up to any female and start chatting her up, the hijab makes them think thrice about doing this). Again in Western eyes when Westerners actually get to know Muslims very often Muslim men can come across as "hen-picked". Again if you look the indigenous converts to Islam in Britain what you find is that they are largely women and women of the type who in a strong Catholic or Eastern Orthodox Christian culture would have become Nuns- not weak minded creatures. And it seems to be that way in France.

If you want to look at our future if we keep on going down the route we are going down look at the United States. There the Western Liberal notion that men and women are basically interchangable has produced a horrific situation where who have all these white women and men who HATE the opposite gender, and I do mean HATE. Just look at Yankee "Men's Rights", incel or MGTOW (MGTOW is a movement in the United States who avoid all contact with women as best they can outside of hookers- and than it is only to shag them) on the male end or the Feminists on female end who are often equally as psycho. And we are witnessing already such phenomena popping up here.

Way down on my list of problems is Aisha's of Fatimah's mummy and daddy not allowing her to dress as a hooker. I am primarily concerned about the Celtic peoples especially if they are Christian. Pointing the finger at "themuns" is frequently a cop out from facing internal problems. Muslims have a ton of internal problems but let them deal with them. This is the problem with multi-cultural societies- very often people from different cultures read each other completely wrong and/or have difficulties understanding each other.

Outside of forcing toleration of things and in the really gruesome examples taking advantage of "Libtardism" to do real and genuine evil as in the case of a lot of Pakistani Sunni supremacists in England with their "rape gangs" Muslims as Muslims have basically no influence on mainstream Western culture. The two people that I know who are indigenous Westerners and reject Islam Theologically who have been strongly influenced by Islamic culture are both actual Fascists as in believing in political dictatorship, a state capitalist economy and staunch civic nationalism. Your average indigenous Westerner does not even know a lot of the basics about Islamic culture even if they have lived around Muslims their whole lives.
 

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Where you and others say Padraig Pearce, I say Nietzsche.
Where the likes of Sword would like to see Marian shrines, I'd like to see 30 foot high marble statues honouring Prometheus.
I don't describe myself as a "Conservative"- I describe myself as a Christian Socialist Realist. I do though admire Padraig Pearse far more though than I admire Nietzsche. Pearse though was no "Conservative". In fact he had a tremendous amount of conflict with Daniel O'Connell Catholics through out his life.
 
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