George Soros - The man who thinks he's God

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Did Colm O Gormless hand back that Soros cash like he was ordered to??funny how all Amnesty's high faluting talk about 'democratic institutions'goes out the window when theres filthy lucre at stake..their 'repeal the 8th' campaign has even morphed into a 'fundraising drive',to raise money for 'posters'!?Now O'Gormless is one hustler who definitely knows where his bread is buttered!
Surely he'll take a salary cut now, for the cause...

Amnesty vote NOT to cut director’s €100k salary to the average industrial wage
 
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Read at least one book that Soros wrote. - Allow the man to speak directly to you before you come to judgement, rather than listen to the distilled half truths of his many enemies. (e.g. Here is one book I recommend.)

Btw are people on here aware that his Open Society Foundation is not in fact about "opening" society to refugees, minorities, and other alleged undesirables. - In fact, it is named, and modelled after, a book by Soros' long time mentor, Karl Popper, titled, "The Open Society & its Enemies".

And are people aware that people like Bertrand Russell no less hailed this particular book as a "vigorous and profound defence of democracy"?

Listen, Soros' driving, passionate preoccupation is to undermine authoritarianism and totalitarianism, and the deluded ideas that give rise to it. That doesn't seem so bad to me in view of the current resurgence of the right.

No doubt there are many on here in thrall to the rising drum beat of the right.
 
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Listen, Soros' driving, passionate preoccupation is to undermine authoritarianism and totalitarianism, and the deluded ideas that give rise to it.
And is not that an ideology of itself? Enacting change to society by an unaccoutable individual (presumably immune from delusional ideas), backing it with personal billions, doesn't seem like a form of authoritarianism to you?

The acid test for truth is an absence of hypocrisy.
 
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Read at least one book that Soros wrote. - Allow the man to speak directly to you before you come to judgement, rather than listen to the distilled half truths of his many enemies. (e.g. Here is one book I recommend.)

Btw are people on here aware that his Open Society Foundation is not in fact about "opening" society to refugees, minorities, and other alleged undesirables. - In fact, it is named, and modelled after, a book by Soros' long time mentor, Karl Popper, titled, "The Open Society & its Enemies".

And are people aware that people like Bertrand Russell no less hailed this particular book as a "vigorous and profound defence of democracy"?

Listen, Soros' driving, passionate preoccupation is to undermine authoritarianism and totalitarianism, and the deluded ideas that give rise to it. That doesn't seem so bad to me in view of the current resurgence of the right.

No doubt there are many on here in thrall to the rising drum beat of the right.
You however would have me gassed in the quest for progress. Have you never thought that maybe we don't want your Jewish idea of warped progress? Leave nations alone. Maybe the world doesn't want to be fixed.
 
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And is not that an ideology of itself? Enacting change to society by an unaccoutable individual (presumably immune from delusional ideas), backing it with personal billions, doesn't seem like a form of authoritarianism to you?

The acid test for truth is an absence of hypocrisy.
Soros sides in a conflict of ideology. He opposes authoritarianism and totalitarianism.

He opposes any one usurpation of the defining of reality. He basically works to defend liberal democracy against know-it-all totalitarianism.

So sure, under these ideological motivations, he takes sides on a number of such sub-issues as (to take a pertinent example) presuming to tell women the choice they are bound to make. And yes, he puts his money behind it too. (But if you investigate, he normally does this only when there is opposing money, to "even" the playing-field. For example in our referendum he was trying to match the huge flow of funding from the radical US Christian fundamentalists flowing into the No campaign.)

Or, another example, as regards immigration, his view is actually driven by the thinking or "ideology" that you cannot and should not shut out people whose view of reality is different to one's own; he holds that the turning inwards, putting up walls and restrictions, turning our back on other parts of humanity in need, etc, obliterates the kind of environment in which liberal democracy can thrive.

So, the "sides" he takes are always to uphold the ideology of liberal democracy. (Recognising of course that it is more often than not "democracy" that paves the way for totalitarianism, for example as happened with the ascendancy of National Socialism in Germany nearly a hundred years ago, or Russia, or Hungary, or many of the other totalitarian-like regimes today.)

Personally, I actually disagree with Soros on a number of things. But he is also undeniably a force for good in so much of what he does, once you get beyond the lies and distortions about him put about. Of course, if you are willing the world to go towards authoritarianism and totalitarianism you are bound to have a very big problem with Soros indeed.
 
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Read at least one book that Soros wrote. - Allow the man to speak directly to you before you come to judgement, rather than listen to the distilled half truths of his many enemies. (e.g. Here is one book I recommend.)

Btw are people on here aware that his Open Society Foundation is not in fact about "opening" society to refugees, minorities, and other alleged undesirables. - In fact, it is named, and modelled after, a book by Soros' long time mentor, Karl Popper, titled, "The Open Society & its Enemies".

And are people aware that people like Bertrand Russell no less hailed this particular book as a "vigorous and profound defence of democracy"?

Listen, Soros' driving, passionate preoccupation is to undermine authoritarianism and totalitarianism, and the deluded ideas that give rise to it. That doesn't seem so bad to me in view of the current resurgence of the right.

No doubt there are many on here in thrall to the rising drum beat of the right.
berrnad russell - no thanks roc, i'm glad u brought that demented psychopath up. ur shooting urself in the foot - as usual. here is some quotes from that dark lord's book 'Impact of Science on Society'

"It may be hoped that in time anybody will be able to persuade anybody of anything if he can catch the patient young and is provided by the State with money and equipment.
This subject will make great strides when it is taken up by scientists under a scientific dictatorship. Anaxagoras maintained that snow is black, but no one believed him. The social psychologists of the future will have a number of classes of school children on whom they will try different methods of producing an unshakable conviction that snow is black. Various results will soon be arrived at. First, that the influence of home is obstructive. Second, that not much can be done unless indoctrination begins before the age of ten. Third, that verses set to music and repeatedly intoned are very effective. Fourth, that the opinion that snow is white must be held to show a morbid taste for eccentricity. . . . It is for future scientists to make these maxims precise and discover exactly how much it costs per head to make children believe that snow is black, and how much less it would cost to make them believe it is dark gray."

"Fichte laid it down that education should aim at destroying free will, so that, after pupils have left school, they shall be incapable, throughout the rest of their lives, of thinking or acting otherwise than as their schoolmasters would have wished. But in his day this was an unattainable ideal: … In future such failures are not likely to occur where there is dictatorship. Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible. Even if all are miserable, all will believe themselves happy, because the government will tell them that they are so. "

"Children will, as in Plato’s Republic, be taken from their mothers and reared by professional nurses. Gradually, by selective breeding, the congenital differences between rulers and ruled will increase until they become almost different species. A revolt of the plebs would become as unthinkable as an organized insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating mutton. "

And heres another one -



roc - ur a very very very very very very naughty boy. back of the class for you.
 
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berrnad russell - no thanks roc, i'm glad u brought that demented psychopath up. ur shooting urself in the foot - as usual. here is some quotes from that dark lord's book 'Impact of Science on Society'

"It may be hoped that in time anybody will be able to persuade anybody of anything if he can catch the patient young and is provided by the State with money and equipment.
This subject will make great strides when it is taken up by scientists under a scientific dictatorship. Anaxagoras maintained that snow is black, but no one believed him. The social psychologists of the future will have a number of classes of school children on whom they will try different methods of producing an unshakable conviction that snow is black. Various results will soon be arrived at. First, that the influence of home is obstructive. Second, that not much can be done unless indoctrination begins before the age of ten. Third, that verses set to music and repeatedly intoned are very effective. Fourth, that the opinion that snow is white must be held to show a morbid taste for eccentricity. . . . It is for future scientists to make these maxims precise and discover exactly how much it costs per head to make children believe that snow is black, and how much less it would cost to make them believe it is dark gray."

"Fichte laid it down that education should aim at destroying free will, so that, after pupils have left school, they shall be incapable, throughout the rest of their lives, of thinking or acting otherwise than as their schoolmasters would have wished. But in his day this was an unattainable ideal: … In future such failures are not likely to occur where there is dictatorship. Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible. Even if all are miserable, all will believe themselves happy, because the government will tell them that they are so. "

"Children will, as in Plato’s Republic, be taken from their mothers and reared by professional nurses. Gradually, by selective breeding, the congenital differences between rulers and ruled will increase until they become almost different species. A revolt of the plebs would become as unthinkable as an organized insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating mutton. "

And heres another one -



roc - ur a very very very very very very naughty boy. back of the class for you.
Bertrand Russel?:oops:

I would say that roc is more of a poor mans Jeremy Bentham. It's funny really. When presented by the Panopticon of the mind, along comes roc to call everyone "Extreme". The proponent of Big Brother and thought crimes!