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Face Masks to be made mandatory in Ireland as phase 4 reopening is suspended.

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Indeed.





It killed a lot more people per million of population, than in Ireland. And Sweden still got a bad economic hit anyway.

It looks like a disaster, and the government now has to answer questions.

Sweden is quite right to be holding investigations into the numbers who died , specifically the deaths in care homes which amount to half its deaths and the fact that the medical system was not prepared for the initial surge in cases without the requisite PPE etc which would have slashed death numbers.

The numbers dead in Sweden of 5,000 or so is certainly higher than it would have been if they had locked down, of course it would, the whole point of a lockdown is to keep people separate from the virus, if people dont get the virus they arent going to die from the virus are they,

The point of Sweden is that it is on a sustainable path, it is over the worst, it does not have any timebomb imminent as the lockdown countries do where relaxing the lockdown will result will lead to a big upsurge in the number of infections.

The lockdown countries face a prolonged period of additional outbreaks, additional lockdowns, additional deaths as the temporary moratorium on deaths created by the lockdown is removed bit by bit.

Sweden is over it while the lockdown countries are facing this crisis continuing for another year at least.
And when it is over, thats the time to compare the death numbers in every country.
 

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The point of Sweden is that it is on a sustainable path, it is over the worst, it does not have any timebomb imminent as the lockdown countries do where relaxing the lockdown will result will lead to a big upsurge in the number of infections.
I see no evidence of this. The number of detected infections at 75k is a paltry % of the population. Swedens numbers are low now because large numbers of people are isolating - beyond normal social norms - and not travelling, hence the economic hit.


The article is prescient. Culture, family patterns and social norms are very important.
 

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I see no evidence of this. The number of detected infections at 75k is a paltry % of the population. Swedens numbers are low now because large numbers of people are isolating - beyond normal social norms - and not travelling, hence the economic hit.


The article is prescient. Culture, family patterns and social norms are very important.
Its four months old which in the context of everything we have seen and learned in the last four months is prehistoric.
The obvious point is that other than the social distancing regulations that have been put in place which I dont think anyone regards as onerous there have been no government edicts enforcing rigouous social distancing or facemasks in place that have to be unwound in Sweden that would automatically lead to a increase of infections. There is no bad news to come. The worst is over. Matters will stay like they are or get better.

Not the case at all in the lockdown countries where a constant drip drip of lockdown unwinding will see repeated surges in cases - guarenteed.
 

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“Western civilization, led by the US government and media, has embarked upon a campaign of mass psychological terrorism, using the COV19 Scamdemic, designed to cover for the collapsing economy , the end of the US$ as Reserve currency, set up a new pretext for Wall Street’s ongoing plunder expedition, radically escalate the police state, deeply traumatize people into submission to total social conformity, and radically aggravate the anti-social, anti-human atomization of the people.

Many gullible people are submitting completely to a (Covid-19) terror campaign dedicated to the total eradication of whatever community was left in the world, and especially whatever community was starting to be rebuilt.
Any kind of human relations, from personal friendship and romance to friendly social gatherings in pub and clubs to social and cultural movements become impossible under such circumstances. This threatens to be the end of the very concept of shared humanity..…( Hannah Arendt - The Origins of Totalitarianism.
This is why we have closed Churches, restriction in pubs/Restaurant ,banning of religous gatherings such as Croagh Patrick's Reek Sunday and the most insidious of all the mandatory wearing of muzzles and social distancing to restrict social conversation exchange

‘It has frequently been observed that terror can rule absolutely only over people who are isolated against each other and that therefore one of the primary concerns of tyrannical government is to create this isolation .
Isolation is the beginning of terror; it certainly is its most fertile ground; it always is its result…. isolated people are powerless by definition.” (“The Ultimate Divide and Conquer“, The Off-Guardian)
 
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Its four months old which in the context of everything we have seen and learned in the last four months is prehistoric.
Ok. So the article is about how national characteristics and culture, play into how effectively a disease can propagate. So you are stupid, or wilfully dishonest. I think you are the latter.

Not the case at all in the lockdown countries where a constant drip drip of lockdown unwinding will see repeated surges in cases - guarenteed.

Of course! This is more about how the country opens up, the political and cultural climate in that country to take remedial action, and overall quality of health surveillance.

Prime example, the US where lockdowns were resisted in many cases and now community spread is unrestrained. Even NY, who really tried to do the right thing, stands to be be hit again badly, due to other States following an ideological bent, rather than scientific.
 

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“Western civilization, led by the US government and media, has embarked upon a campaign of mass psychological terrorism, using the COV19 Scamdemic, designed to cover for the collapsing economy , the end of the US$ as Reserve currency, set up a new pretext for Wall Street’s ongoing plunder expedition, radically escalate the police state, deeply traumatize people into submission to total social conformity, and radically aggravate the anti-social, anti-human atomization of the people.

Many gullible people are submitting completely to a (Covid-19) terror campaign dedicated to the total eradication of whatever community was left in the world, and especially whatever community was starting to be rebuilt.
Any kind of human relations, from personal friendship and romance to friendly social gatherings in pub and clubs to social and cultural movements become impossible under such circumstances. This threatens to be the end of the very concept of shared humanity..…( Hannah Arendt - The Origins of Totalitarianism.
This is why we have closed Churches, restriction in pubs/Restaurant ,banning of religous gatherings such as Croagh Patrick's Reek Sunday and the most insidious of all the mandatory wearing of muzzles and social distancing to restrict social conversation exchange

‘It has frequently been observed that terror can rule absolutely only over people who are isolated against each other and that therefore one of the primary concerns of tyrannical government is to create this isolation .
Isolation is the beginning of terror; it certainly is its most fertile ground; it always is its result…. isolated people are powerless by definition.” (“The Ultimate Divide and Conquer“, The Off-Guardian)
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Thousands marched in Berlin today calling for an end to the Pandemic. Never underestimate German honesty and their spirit of resilience. Thousands march in Berlin against mandatory masks & Covid-19 measures (PHOTOS, VIDEOS)
Good on them. And good on the Dutch for this little nugget buried in that article

...while the UK recently instituted mandatory mask rules, the Netherlands has advised against widespread mask use, claiming their effectiveness has not been proven.
Which is of course correct, no one has presented any evidence that in a real life situation there is any public health benefit of mask wearing . Which means that they are been mandated for political reasons and not for public health reasons.
 

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Dam Ive just found out there was an anti-Lockdown anti-Facemask anti-Vaccine protest in London today, I would have gone if Id known, if I didnt get to hear about this then most of the people who were liable to turn up wouldnt have heard about it either.
Interesting to look at the women turning up, you can tell the politics of a protest by the women you see there.
If they are ugly pink haired fat arsed women you know its a left wing rally.
If they aren't you can tell it isn't (as in this case).

 

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Good on them. And good on the Dutch for this little nugget buried in that article



Which is of course correct, no one has presented any evidence that in a real life situation there is any public health benefit of mask wearing . Which means that they are been mandated for political reasons and not for public health reasons.
Good to note the Dutch have not lost their critical thinking faculties.
 

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Dam Ive just found out there was an anti-Lockdown anti-Facemask anti-Vaccine protest in London today, I would have gone if Id known, if I didnt get to hear about this then most of the people who were liable to turn up wouldnt have heard about it either.
Interesting to look at the women turning up, you can tell the politics of a protest by the women you see there.
If they are ugly pink haired fat arsed women you know its a left wing rally.
If they aren't you can tell it isn't (as in this case).

I've been saying that all week.
The only people I've seen wearing face nappies are fat ugly women and frightened old people....
The odd soy boy too!
 
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